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Posted by italophil 2 days ago

Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri(www.reuters.com)
https://archive.md/x0Sxc
393 points | 673 commentspage 5
0xbadcafebee 1 day ago|

  > calling his predecessor Antony Blinken's decision to adopt Calibri a "wasteful" diversity move,
  
  > The department under Blinken in early January 2023 had switched to Calibri, a modern sans-serif font,
  > saying this was a more accessible font for people with disabilities
Man, helping disabled people is so woke. Who was the woke politician who made the government support disabled americans?
Stratoscope 1 day ago||
Additional reporting from Gizmodo:

Marco Rubio Orders State Dept to Stop Using Calibri Font in Anti-DEI Push

https://gizmodo.com/marco-rubio-orders-state-dept-to-stop-us...

thih9 1 day ago||
> To restore decorum and professionalism to the Department’s written work products…

Who defines decorum and professionalism? Because I’d say this change is anything but.

Then again, this is very partisan and so subjective. Still, I’m not a fan of a government pushing certain esthetics with such a BS justification.

goku12 1 day ago|
Not exactly related, but this is also the government that keeps insisting that the tariffs are paid by the foreign exporters (now that's a BS justification by any government that warrants widespread panic). It's all about narratives. I wouldn't bother much with fact checking them.
vvpan 1 day ago||
How far has the migration away from TNR to Calibri progressed? Is it redoing everything or is it just abandoning an incomplete ongoing migration that mostly just started?
infotainment 1 day ago||
I still can’t believe they switched to Calibri at all; the only people who should be using Calibri are people who don’t realize that Microsoft Word lets you pick other fonts.

I do wish they’d gone for a classier serif though; Garamond was right there.

adamhartenz 1 day ago||
You think the US govenment would go for a French typeface?
weinzierl 1 day ago|||
To be fair, they did choose a Roman one - one with proper Italics even.
askew 1 day ago||||
A "thank you" for La Liberté éclairant le monde.
ben_w 1 day ago|||
There's a certain je ne sais quoi to the US government's relationship with France.

  Le problème avec les Américains, c'est qu'ils n'ont pas de mot pour «entrepreneur».
publicdebates 1 day ago||
I'm a Kings Caslon kinda guy myself. Partial to those more practical fonts. Can't beat 1800s print, they perfected the art by that point.
simondotau 1 day ago||
As far as paper copies of laws and proclamations are concerned, the government can print them out in Wingdings for all I care. 99.999% of people will never see the physical paper. What matters are the digital files which, along with PDF, should be available to view in any font I want, whether Times New Roman or Comis Sans or braille.
1970-01-01 1 day ago|
They should be digitally signed PDFs. It's nearly 2026 and trivial to do.
m000 19 hours ago||
Good news: At least he didn't order the department to use Computer Modern.

Bad news: Missed opportunity for Fraktur to make a comeback.

legitster 1 day ago||
> "To restore decorum and professionalism to the Department’s written work products and abolish yet another wasteful DEIA program, the Department is returning to Times New Roman as its standard typeface."

So to reiterate, the department decided to move on from the 1992 default Word font to the 2007 Word default (1 year after it was no longer the default).

Nothing is safe from politics when even a font choice has become "woke".

orthoxerox 1 day ago||
Should've picked Charis SIL. It's a legible and serious serif font, doesn't make you look like you picked the boring Big Tech default and has explicitly Christian origins.
7bit 1 day ago|
Explicit christian origin sounds like Jesus himself designed the font. But no, it's only the label the institute gave itself.

By that measure, I could create a font with explicit godly origin, because I see myself as a direct descendant of God.

hbogert 1 day ago|
The left and right signalling is such a waste of everyone's time and effort. Reactive pettiness
miltonlost 1 day ago||
Is it "signalling" when the left's change was for an accessibility reason, to enable more people to be able to easily read? Signaling means there's no tangible benefit to the change, so the Blinken's switch to a sans-serif font would not be signaling.

Rubio, however, specifically pointed out the symbolic (and malicious) gesture of his whole switch back to Times New Roman.

The left didn't react pettily. Please stop thinking the left are the right are the same when the facts show they are not. The left's change was for a demonstrative benefit. The right is doing it so fuck over people. You think these are the same.

mathgradthrow 19 hours ago|||
>Is it "signalling" when the left's change was for an accessibility reason, to enable more people to be able to easily read?

Uh, yes.

JetSetWilly 1 day ago||||
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oneeyedpigeon 1 day ago||
Note that, even if that's all true (and I do agree that studies should have been conducted), the two positions are:

a) We made this change because we think it will help certain people

and

b) We made this change because we fundamentally disagree with attempts to help certain people, whether effective or not

I think b) is a lot worse than a). Or, to put it another way, has the current administration demonstrated a benefit from this change, or are they behaving at least as badly as "the left"?

JetSetWilly 1 day ago||
No, you're just falling into the sort of left wing "people who disagree with me can only do so because they are a bad person" trap. You can read the full text of the actual memo (and a reasonable interpretation of it) below, but it appears to me that the principle reason as stated is that Calibri is less professional, inconsistent with all other government communications and even inconsistent letterheads on the very same department's material, and that appearance matters. It isn't in fact about "sticking it to the woke", but it does seem like the original decision to use Calibri was not based on anything and just about appearing to be woke.

https://daringfireball.net/2025/12/full_text_of_marco_rubio_...

oneeyedpigeon 1 day ago||
> No, you're just falling into the sort of left wing "people who disagree with me can only do so because they are a bad person" trap.

I'm not sure where this conclusion came from. I even acknowledged that the original change was problematic.

> the principle reason as stated is that Calibri is less professional

That's fair, but it doesn't erase the 'DEI' comment in the memo. If that weren't there, we might actually be having a discussion about the merits of one font vs. another.

> It isn't in fact about "sticking it to the woke"

Again, that might be believable if the memo hadn't explicitly complained about DEI.

JetSetWilly 1 day ago||
DEI was mentioned in a footnote, it didn't seem to be the main thrust of the memo. I agree it would have been better to not mention it at all, the decision is perfectly defensible on the basis of all the previous non-footnoted points.

I apologise for my first comment, it seems like those critical of the latest decision are painting a simplistic picture - "this was one side attempting to be kind vs other side deliberately being unkind". But it doesn't appear to be the case to me.

SpicyLemonZest 1 day ago|||
I think the concept of an accessible font is signaling. I don't think that Times New Roman is actually less legible than Calibri, and have never seen research claiming to find that Times New Roman in particular or serifs in general pose accessibility problems.
estearum 1 day ago|||
"Decisions I know nothing about are signaling" is a phenomenally uncurious approach to life.
foldr 1 day ago|||
I easily found some research by searching Google scholar:

https://www.scitepress.org/Papers/2021/109668/109668.pdf

It's not a big difference, but apparently TNR was the worst of the fonts tested for OCR.

But anyway, there was no "signaling" about the change to Calibri. No-one ever tried to make a political issue out of it the way Rubio is now.

SpicyLemonZest 1 day ago||
I’m not sure what you think I mean by “signaling”. This is a study of OCR performance, with no attempt to measure practical accessibility issues caused by the font difference which you and I agree is not big. I’m still very skeptical that even a single State Department employee’s ability to do a good job depends on which font the department uses.

If you say that it doesn’t matter whether changing the font had a large practical impact, because it’s a gesture in the right direction or helps build a culture of accessibility, I would classify that as signaling.

foldr 1 day ago||
Classify it how you like, but a gesture towards building a culture of accessibility (if indeed that’s what this was) is hardly comparable to an attempt to score points against political opponents.
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