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Posted by italophil 12/10/2025

Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri(www.reuters.com)
https://archive.md/x0Sxc
407 points | 691 commentspage 8
m000 12/11/2025|
Good news: At least he didn't order the department to use Computer Modern.

Bad news: Missed opportunity for Fraktur to make a comeback.

retrocog 12/11/2025||
Fell asleep in America and woke up in Lilliput
oldsklgdfth 12/10/2025||
Slightly tangential, is there any chance this is motivated by profit or someone making money off this?

Otherwise, seems kinda benign and random.

embedding-shape 12/10/2025||
Attention is a limited resource. When people spend it on something, they cannot spend it on something else at the same time. If you want to get away with something unpopular, do lots of unpopular things so the really bad stuff gets mixed in with all the rest. From the outside, it all looks very benign and random.
rcpt 12/10/2025||
It's probably to ensure people keep talking about "woke" which tends to be good for the right.
icecube123 12/11/2025||
Its exactly this. Choosing a font that makes things easier for disabled people, and those with limited sight is far too “woke” for 2025.
Hizonner 12/10/2025||
I'm mostly surprised it wasn't Fraktur.

How pitiful do you have to be as Secretary of State to get into minutiae about fonts, anyway?

SpicyLemonZest 12/10/2025||
As pitiful as the last guy, apparently? As the article says, the decision to switch to Calibri in the first place came directly from Blinken. (I try not to get into anti-anti-Trump discourse, but getting worked up about fonts seems counterproductive to me.)
unethical_ban 12/10/2025|||
Neither of these decisions likely originated with the SoS themselves. I say the reasoning matters, though.

You can try to avoid the discourse, but if you're American then you're in it. This administration is destroying the country for many reasons: profit, hatred of democracy, racism, control. And FWIW, it's the current administration foaming at the mouth about a font change, not the last one.

In this case, the decision is solely because the last guy did something and they can't let anything from the last administration stand.

Let's say, in an alternate universe where Rubio's department genuinely thought there were cost or coordination issues with Calibri. They could have reversed the decision and cited that. But no: Making a font that is more compatible with screen reader technology is woke. Their words, not mine.

tpmoney 12/11/2025|||
> Let's say, in an alternate universe where Rubio's department genuinely thought there were cost or coordination issues with Calibri. They could have reversed the decision and cited that.

So apparently Daring Fireball (of all places) got their hands on the full memo text[1]. And in all of the text, there are 2 sentences total that refer to DEI at all, the rest of it is talking about those coordination and cost issues. So I guess they did do that, they just also had to take their shots at DEI because why be in politics these days if you can't virtue signal even the most standard of decisions.

[1]: https://daringfireball.net/misc/2025/12/state-department-ret...

SpicyLemonZest 12/10/2025|||
"Woke" is not, in fact, their words. The source article doesn't quote Rubio as saying "woke". The NY Times coverage (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/09/us/politics/rubio-state-d...) goes into a lot more detail than Reuters, as is typical; they don't publish the full text of the order (IIUC this is common to protect sources), but they say Rubio cited a number of coordination and messaging issues, along with a metric of document accessibility requests which he says did not decrease in the Calibri era.

Again, I say this not to nitpick or to dispute that it's kinda silly, but to emphasize that this is a provocation you shouldn't and don't need to rise to. The State Department's font choices do not matter, and it will not hurt anyone nor create a bad permission structure if they use Times New Roman. The only possible way this story could become even a tiny bit consequential is if Democrats take the bait and radicalize against serifs.

unethical_ban 12/11/2025|||
Fair point that they didn't say the word woke. I'll own that criticism.

I will assert that any justification for this that could be seen as legitimate is wiped away when they write anything about "Calibri is DEI" when there were valid reasons to consider it.

And believe me, I am well aware of where this ranks in the list of sins of the administration. It's a very small, very petty action in line with their broader ethos.

oneeyedpigeon 12/11/2025|||
They definitely did use the term 'DEI', though, which is pretty much interchangeable as far as they're concerned.
watwut 12/11/2025|||
Except that last guy was not pitiful about and did not had any ideological hateful proclamations.

It was choice for slightly better readability on screens. Plus that font was default in word. There were not emotional claims about it.

It is entirely valid to make fun of Rubio.

648373628229 12/10/2025||
What's wrong with Fraktur?
maxnoe 12/10/2025||
Fraktur is often associated with the German far right, because it's a mostly German thing that nationalists can hang on to.

Funnily enough, it was Goebbels who banned it and required everyone to change to Latin scripts.

tormeh 12/10/2025||
Got to hand it to them - Fraktur is an annoying font. It looks cool, though.
mhd 12/10/2025||
Don't a lot of courts use/mandate Century? Just use that. Better than TNR. If you can't afford a custom font…
indymike 12/11/2025||
Reminds me of the Postal Service spending billions to change the logo from a stylized eagle to a... stylized eagle.
anonym29 12/11/2025||
Glad my government continues to work hard on solving the important problems that affect real people like me.
oneeyedpigeon 12/11/2025||
I'm definitely not suggesting someone make one, but Rubio sounds like an awfully good name for a font...
gowld 12/10/2025||
Calibri was the default MS Word from 2007 until July 2023, when Aptos took over.

Calibri became the State font in Jan 2023.

OhMeadhbh 12/11/2025|
This makes me want to run for President on the platform of Comic Sans for all government documents.
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