Posted by atgctg 12/11/2025
System card: https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/3a4153c8-c748-4b71-8e31-aecbde944...
Being a point release though I guess that's fair. I suspect there is also some decent optimizations on the backend that make it cheaper and faster for OpenAI to run, and those are the real reasons they want us to use it.
I doubt it, given it is more expensive than the old model.
Did you test it?
tl;dr; humans would do much better too if they could use programming tools :)
All of your benchmarks mean nothing to me until you include Claude Sonnet on them.
In my experience, GPT hasn’t been able to compete with Claude in years for the daily “economically valuable” tasks I work on.
- https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/tpuv7-google-takes-a-s...
It's also plainly obvious from using it. The "Broadly deployed" qualifier is presumably referring to 4.5
It's probably just a question of cost/benefit analysis, it's very expensive to do, so the benefits need to be significant.
https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/i-have-been-fooled-reddi...
Might sell better with the protagonist learning iron age leatherworking, with hides tanned from cows that were grown within earshot, as part of a process of finding the real root of the reason for why any of us ever came to be in the first place. This realization process culminates in the formation of a global, unified steampunk BDSM movement and a wealth of new diseases, and then: Zombies.
(That's the end. Zombies are always the end.)
What was with that guy anyway.
Is that yet-another accusation of having used the bot?
I don't use the bot to write English prose. If something I write seems particularly great or poetic or something, then that's just me: I was in the right mood, at the right time, with the right idea -- and with the right audience.
When it's bad or fucked-up, then that's also just me. I most-assuredly fuck up plenty.
They can't all be zingers. I'm fine with that.
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I do use the hell out of the bot for translating my ideas (and the words that I use to express them) into languages that I can't speak well, like Python, C, and C++. But that's very different. (And at least so far I haven't shared any of those bot outputs with the world at all, either.)
So to take your question very literally: No, I don't get better results from prompting being more poetic. The responses to my prompts don't improve by those prompts being articulate or poetic.
Instead, I've found that I get the best results from the bot fastest by carrying a big stick, and using that stick to hammer and welt it into compliance.
Things can get rather irreverent in my interactions with the bot. Poeticism is pretty far removed from any of that business.
I've observed that using proper grammar gives slightly better answers. And using more "literacy"(?) kind of language in prompts sometimes gives better answers and sometimes just more interesting ones, when bots try to follow my style.
Sorry for using the word poetic, I'm travelling and sleep deprived and couldn't find the proper word, but didn't want to just use "nice" instead either.
As to the bot: Man, I beat the bot to death. It's pretty brutal.
I'm profane and demanding because that's the most terse language I know how to construct in English.
When I set forth to have the bot do a thing for me, the slowest part of the process that I can improve on my part is the quantity of the words that I use.
I can type fast and think fast, but my one-letter-at-a-time response to the bot is usually the only part that that I can make a difference with. So I tend to be very terse.
"a+b=c, you fuck!" is certainly terse, unambiguous, and fast to type, so that's my usual style.
Including the emphatic "you fuck!" appendage seems to stir up the context more than without. Its inclusion or omission is a dial that can be turned.
Meanwhile: "I have some reservations about the proposed implementation. Might it be possible for you to revise it so as to be in a different form? As previously discussed, it is my understanding that a+b=c. Would you like to try again to implement a solution that incorporates this understanding?" is very slow to write.
They both get similar results. One method is faster for me than the other, just because I can only type so fast. The operative function of the statement is ~the same either way.
(I don't owe the bot anything. It isn't alive. It is just a computer running a program. I could work harder to be more polite, empathetic, or cordial, but: It's just code running on a box somewhere in a datacenter that is raising my electric rate and making the RAM for my next system upgrade very expensive. I don't owe it anything, much less politeness or poeticism.
Relatedly, my inputs at the bash prompt on my home computer are also very terse. For instance I don't have any desire or ability to be polite to bash; I just issue commands like ls and awk and grep without any filler-words or pleasantries. The bot is no different to me.
When I want something particularly poetic or verbose as output from the bot, I simply command it to be that way.
It's just a program.)
I feel like there was a similar one about software, but it might have been mathematics (also Asimov: The Feeling of Power)
A lot of talent left OpenAI around that time, most notably in this regard would be Ilya in May '24. Remember that time Ilya and the board ousted Sam only to reverse it almost immediately?
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/05/chief...
I don’t think it’s publicly known for sure how different the models really are. You can improve a lot just by improving the post-training set.
But how much of each product they release also just a factor of how much they are willing to spend on inference per query in order to stay competitive?
I always wonder how much is technical change vs turning a knob up and down on hardware and power consumption.
GTP5.0 for example seemed like a lot of changes more for OpenAI's internal benefit (terser responses, dynamic 'auto' mode to scale down thinking when not required etc.)
Wondering if GPT5.2 is also case of them in 'code red mode' just turning what they already have up to 11 as a fastest way to respond to fiercer competion.
That it costs more does suggest it's "doing more with more", at least.
Humanity won't be able to tap into this highly compressed energy stock that was generated through processes taking literally geological scales time to bed achieved.
That is, technology is more about what alternative tradeoffs can we leverage on to organize differently with resources at hand.
Frugality can definitely be a possible way to shape the technologies we want to deploy. But it's not all possible technologies, just a subset.
Also better technology is not necessarily bringing societies to morale and well-being excellency. Improving technology for efficient genocides for example is going to bring human disaster as obvious outcome, even if it's done in a manner that is the most green, zero-carbon emissions and growing more forests delivered beyond expectations of the specifications.
edit: noticed 5.2 is ranked in the webdev arena (#2 tied with gemini-3.0-pro), but not yet in text arena (last update 22hrs ago)
It seems if anyone wants, they can really gas a model up in the moment and back it off after the hype wave.
Also thinking time means more tokens which costs more especially at the API level where you are paying per token and would be trivially observable.
There is basically no evidence that either of these are occurring in the way you suggest (boosting up and down).
