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Posted by yaky 12/12/2025

Nokia N900 Necromancy(yaky.dev)
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stego-tech 12/12/2025|
Man, I miss my N80ie. The towns I lived in didn’t get UMTS/3G until the ‘10s, but the EDGE radios were enough. Loved Symbian, miss it.
qingcharles 12/12/2025||
My first Internet phone was the Nokia 9000, which was limited to GSM (9600bps). I built and debugged one of the first major music streaming services on that connection because I was working remote and my DSL got cut off. I had to add a 2Kbps stream option to the production servers for myself just so I could test it.
rboyd 12/12/2025||
is this the phone Val Kilmer had in the movie The Saint? badass phone
qingcharles 12/12/2025||
Yes! I was so excited he had that phone in the movie.

They even include an owner in-joke, which means someone in the production must have owned one of these phones. Everyone I lent the phone to would pick it up the "wrong" way -- they would put the external screen to their face, like every other phone. But the mic and speaker were on the back. I had to quickly find the scene in the movie here:

https://imgur.com/a/hojf5DZ

seba_dos1 12/12/2025||
N900 has nothing to do with Symbian.
ahartmetz 12/12/2025||
Fortunately - Symbian was painful. It was designed with a half-baked C++ standard and devices with 1-2 MB of RAM in mind and apparently never thoroughly upgraded.
geoffeg 12/12/2025||
My N900 was one of my favorite computing devices that I've owned. The keyboard was good enough for my needs, I could open a terminal quickly, battery life was fine. If someone came out with a modern version that had a slide out keyboard and similar size, maybe running a raspberry-pi level CPU, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
d3Xt3r 12/12/2025||
I recall there was a project to revive the N900 with modern internals, anyone know what happened to it?
yaky 12/12/2025|
There was Neo900, abandoned in 2018. The site is still up though: https://neo900.org/#main
Arch-TK 12/12/2025||
It wasn't really abandoned so much as killed by PayPal.

The project used PayPal to gather downpayments, PayPal decided to lock the funds for months (almost a year or maybe longer IIRC) because they saw money coming in but no confirmation of goods coming out. And, you know, when it comes to big companies, no explanation is sufficient, you are guilty of something because some heuristic said so, so the funds were locked, legal threats didn't work (try threatening a company with the power of a small/medium country), and by the time they got their money back, key people who were going to work at a discount to cover key milestones had moved on.

pessimizer 12/12/2025||
This seems like weird revisionist history or I missed something. I never got a dime back that I spent on the Neo900, which I assumed they spent on their personal lifestyles and travel while trying and failing to design and manufacture a board.

If there was actually a holdup of funds that killed the project, and eventually the funds were released, that's an even worse story. I didn't think there could be a worse story. It would mean that the project fell apart while they were waiting on cash, then when they got it they just treated it like a personal windfall. IIRC I ended up out $1.5K on the thing.

Arch-TK 12/13/2025||
Paypal released the funds to the project, not to the people making the downpayments. Paypal never returns money immediately to anyone, they sit on it for months while they "investigate".

I don't know who you are or where you were but the paypal problems were pretty well announced and _I_ was there. The project was already facing delays because a key person who was needed to make the board layouts was held up with the also now dead DragonBox Pyra handheld.

I have no idea where you think the money went, how much you think there was, but it was a constant game of trying to drum up enough activity to gain attention of potential customers to bring in enough down-payments to pay the salaries of the small number of people working on the project while having enough money to buy parts. The money went into salaries, parts, nobody bought hookers or blow with it, and certainly nobody got anything but stress out of that project in the end. I believe Joerg Reisenweber paid a lawyer out of pocket to try to get PayPal to release the funds.

lxglv 12/12/2025||
That's not a Necromancy, that's rather a Dr. Frankenstein's creature.
panick21_ 12/12/2025||
Man I really wanted the N900 so badly, my first real smartphone. But I decided to skip N900, because I was sure that the N901 (or whatever) was going to be insane good and I wanted to not spend the money yet.

Sadly, that day never came ...

TimByte 12/12/2025||
Probably not practical. Definitely not advisable. But deeply satisfying to read.
yaky 12/12/2025|
To quote someone from Hackaday:

> We don't ask "why?", we ask "why not?"

andai 12/12/2025||
Can someone explain the use of super capacitors here? Do they function as a battery?
picture 12/12/2025|
It's because the phone design needs the battery to help stabilize the voltage under load. As we know, digital devices can nearly instantaneously change the amount of current they consume and thus require layers of energy storage to accommodate the transient currents quickly. However, the changing current consumption doesn't just happen briefly. It sometimes continues to ramp for more than milliseconds (a glacial time frame for modern electronics). Thus generally every component in the power supply network of a design serves some stabilization and filtering role, including the batteries.

It appears that in this case, as the original battery aged, its internal apparent resistance (ESR) increased beyond the original design expectations, to a point where the phone won't work when plugged in to a charging cable because despite the charging cable most likely being able to deliver sufficient power at DC, it had too much impedance to supply it quickly enough. When current is demanded from a source that has too high impedance to supply it, the voltage drops. This will result in significant voltage ripple to the power supply of the digital circuits, which can cause logic to not function correctly.

Adding a large capacitor basically replaced the filtering and stabilization role of the original battery.

Interestingly people often intentionally remove capacitors for side channel measurements and glitching attacks.

jsmailes 12/12/2025||
Fascinating, thanks for explaining! I had assumed it was just that capacitors were easier to get hold of than batteries, and that the author was just putting up with a reduced "battery" life as a result. It makes sense to replace with capacitors if they're just using it for always-powered static applications -- probably with much lower fire risk to boot.
ZebusJesus 12/12/2025||
The best phone I have ever owned! Running linux you could do so much including hacking wifi. The keyboard was great and the pop out camera for video calls was fun to use.
psyclobe 12/12/2025|
Oh I had that phone I recall trying very hard to browse to the Landon website while driving just to play some music heh.

I recall having to spin with my finger in a spiral to zoom in.

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