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Posted by fleahunter 4 days ago

Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options(arstechnica.com)
630 points | 523 commentspage 4
shlip 4 days ago|
Other options than the suggested Apple TV route, include pihole (adblock), kodi, openelec (opensource media players).
kazinator 3 days ago||
> Westinghouse’s dumb TVs max out at 32 inches and 720p resolution

Then why mention the pitiful shit? That describes a LCD TV I had in 2004, one of the first.

> but some of them also have a built-in DVD player.

Well, that changes everything; I want one now, LOL ...

rock_artist 3 days ago||
The more I think about it I wonder why Chinese TVs using Android based TV don’t have Some GrapheneTV or basic trimmed down Android aimed to be “dumb”.

Unlike phones,

- if it should be air gapped then all you’d want is your HDMIs input and remote control to work.

- nice to have: ADCs/DACs for analog AV input and audio out and any antenna input if available.

- super nice to have: Bluetooth for passing audio out and maybe network (Ethernet, WiFi) stack if same.

But assuming the goal is airgapped. There are less security concerns in general, You just want the Android TV to be lightweight and fast and don’t care it’s “stuck” in specific version or use closed blobs.

jeroenhd 3 days ago|
There's a lineageos template for Android TV. I don't think grapheneos will ever run on something like that (it doesn't even run on phones with ten times the security capabilities of TV SoCs) but alternative ROMs are available. There's also KDE Plasma if you want to go the non-Android route, though you'll struggle to find good support for that.

One problem with that approach is that you'll lose access to DRM'd contents, so while the official Netflix/HBO/Prime apps will install on lineageos, their video quality will be terrible or they will refuse to work.

There are a bunch of Google TV variants (brands like TCL and Philips) that will let you turn on "basic TV mode" (https://support.google.com/googletv/answer/10408998?hl=en), disabling pretty much everything other than displaying content.

As for why the Chinese TVs don't have a dumb mode, I think it's because the Chinese market is full of devices crammed to the brim with smart features, so smart TVs are sort of expected these days.

earthnail 2 days ago||
It's interesting to read the praise for Apple TV here. I didn't like mine. My three years old Sony Bravia is really excellent, supports Chrome Cast, Airplay etc, has a great remote control, and a fast enough CPU that the apps don't lag. Everything is butter smooth. It's a thoroughly enjoyable experience.

I had an Apple TV as well, but I don't use it anymore. And I otherwise only use Apple devices. But the Apple TV I just never got warm with.

sllabres 3 days ago||
I am not a HIFI/TV aficionado, but the ACR [1] thing was new to me.

I hope it is not yet important for me as I never allowed a TV access to my LAN/WLAN. But with smart devices using accessible open WLANs to transmit who knows.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.06203 / https://arxiv.org/pdf/2409.06203

Dementor430 3 days ago||
It's a nice starting point. There are other options such as used Flanders Scientific or Sony Studio Screens. But those are usually rather expensive. I would recommend to buy them on Ebay if anything.
rokoss21 3 days ago||
The Vizio litigation is encouraging, but hardware-level hacking is still the most reliable way forward. Been running Linux on an old TV with HDMI-in for years - basically a dumb display with full control.

For budget-conscious setup: even older plasma/LCD displays that predate the "smart" era are increasingly available secondhand. Pair with a Raspberry Pi or similar and you get a system you actually own.

duxup 2 days ago||
I wish my apple TV could take a bunch of HDMI inputs and basically be my HDMI switch in the Apple TV interface.
ZiiS 3 days ago||
The fact they give you a half decent media PC whilst discounting the monitor in the hope you give them tracking and allow them to be a market gatekeeper; only needs to be mildly anoying in today's world. Just plug in whatever you want and ignore it.
grvbck 3 days ago|
For now. I can see a not-so-distant future where internet access is needed for "cloud AI" to enable full 8K resolution, or where Dolby Atmos/Eclipsa Audio/Amphi Hi-D has to be unlocked through an online account, or where "advanced" menu settings like color calibration are tied to a monthly subscription…

Sure, there will probably be some alternatives from independent/smaller manufacturers but they will inevitably be based on older tech and/or standards, come with serious tradeoffs and so on.

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