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Posted by MilnerRoute 12/14/2025

Adafruit: Arduino’s Rules Are ‘Incompatible With Open Source’(thenewstack.io)
437 points | 248 commentspage 4
dev_l1x_be 12/15/2025|
Could risc-v save opensource hardware?
Taniwha 12/15/2025|
The latest esp32 chips are RISCV meaning you're not paying a licence for the old ESP CPU (which comes from elsewhere).

There are also 10c RISCV cores available that people are starting to use

I don't think it "saves" it particularly though

zoobab 12/15/2025||
Qualcomm is a patent troll, no money for those guys.

We need an arduino fork.

seg_lol 12/15/2025||
There is a lot of shade being thrown against Adafruit in this discussion thread which is disappointing.

It is disappointing because it distracts from the discussion around Open Source and Arduino as a long term educational tool. Regardless if that shade is in good faith or not, it distracts from the conversation we should be having.

moron4hire 12/15/2025|
Yeah, let's not forget that Arduino was built on a history of being kinda sheisty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino#History

And Adafruit has been a stalwart of open hardware advocacy. If it were anyone else, I might entertain the idea that they're "just trying to drum up some marketing." But we're talking about Limor "LadyAda" Fried here. She's good people and always has been. Her opinion should count for a lot.

quijoteuniv 12/15/2025||
Is this another one of those opensource project gone wrong, that when they lose the user base because of this gray(blackish) i would say) “new terms” they apologise and try to come back… often too late?
DeepSeaTortoise 12/15/2025||
IMO too many people come to the conclusion that Qualcomm will in some way screw up the Arduino takeover at the expense of the community.

And I think these people are right, but that is not necessary a bad thing.

There is just about no reason a giant like Qualcomm would take over something like Arduino for any other purpose but to acquire resources (talent, customers, community, processes, documentation, ...) they can use to teach themselves how to become more open, to what degree they even want to and to have a trusted platform they can take their initial steps in and will get feedback from.

And the reality is, that someone with little experience will screw up badly, several times. I mean, look at the current state of the major silicon IP holders, the only reason they dont ship brain-chips with their NDAs that explode the moment you mention the wrong part number infornt of a competitor is because the NDAs for the documentation on how to install the brain-chips would get them stuck in recursion hell.

And just as little experience Qualcomm has at making open source a successful business strategy, Arduino has just as little experience at being a corporate Godzilla trying to carefully pet the egg they just adopted. And let's be real: Open source projects OWE it to their community to be financially successful, because it's that financial success that guarantees that the project CAN STAY open and wont force its core maintainers into choosing between their commitment to their community and a fulfilling lifestyle, although for someone like Qualcomm this success can probably be something else but financial in nature (acquiring talent, their products becoming a preferred choice, schools teaching students using Qualcomm products, whatever).

Both Arduino and Qualcomm will end up outside of their domain and it'd be surprising if this would not result in major mistakes being made.

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Qualcomm has to evaluate whether their new talent at Arduino is doing a good job and are suddenly looking at a giant dumpster fire, wondering what could have possibly caused this since their lawyers aren't even half-done sticking on the "by Qualcomm" labels yet.

Right now, instead of trying to pressure Qualcomm into making commitments they do not understand, the community should try to adopt the role of a stakeholder, who prioritizes a long and healthy relationship with a currently struggling contractor over getting the desired product at a reasonable timeline.

The community needs to make a cold day in hell happen, calm down, get together and formalize what they think they liked about Arduino up until now, the fundamental requirements that need to be retained or even developed and what would be nice to have.

RobotToaster 12/15/2025||
> our commitment to the open source spirit is unwavering and Arduino’s core mission remains unchanged

Running a proprietary SaaS doesn't really show commitment to open source.

_ache_ 12/15/2025|
I agree, but that is nothing new. The original SaaS was already proprietary.

And btw, the "reverse engineering" close was already here too. You can check the archive.org of Jan 2025, months before the Qualcomm acquisition.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250120145427/https://www.ardui...

So this citation, is basically fake news and FUD. The *now* part is false and this hide the fact that the "platform" is only the SaaS.

> Phillip Torrone had warned [...] Arduino’s users were now “explicitly forbidden from reverse engineering or even attempting to understand how the platform works unless Arduino gives permission.”

RobotToaster 12/15/2025||
I feel like the Qualcomm thing has just woken up a lot of people to how Arduino has been enshittifying for years

They released their first closed source "pro" boards in 2021

https://blog.adafruit.com/2023/07/12/when-open-becomes-opaqu...

altaccount2026 12/15/2025|
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klustregrif 12/15/2025||
I’ve never heard of this, and it feels like if true this is the type of thing that would be covered. Do you have any links to references that support this claim?
tdeck 12/15/2025|||
Do you have any links related to this? I did a quick Google and I couldn't find anything relevant.
altaccount2026 12/15/2025||
https://bsky.app/profile/a.very.sleepy.galactic.furball.disc...

Unfortunately, it’s not isolated.

https://chaos.social/@North/115605819126197877

Dylan16807 12/15/2025|||
The doxxing listed here is saying a person's first name? I think? Maybe former name? This is hard to follow. It's so deep in arguing about arguing that I can't tell if he's a 1/10 problem or a 9/10 problem.

I probably missed some of the cross links but this is a mess.

Can you elaborate on "harassing trans people"? From these links at best I can guess at one of them being trans but I can't tell if that's related to the argument; who else is on that list?

RobotToaster 12/15/2025||
That seems to be literally it.

This adds a little more context, but it still seems to be a complete nothingburger. It also looks like the user was harassing adafruit for not condemning the use of AI.

https://digipres.club/@discatte/115601133682447929

RobotToaster 12/15/2025||||
Literally everyone involved in this sounds annoying.
shumpy 12/15/2025|||
Clash of Cluster B personalities.
stuffn 12/15/2025||
How is this remotely related?
worthless-trash 12/15/2025||
We must drag names through the mud at every opportunity!

Conform conform conform.

worthless-trash 12/15/2025||
Damn hn showing your true colors there..

You are either really bad at detecting humour or you actually agree with me but hate it being pointed out.

Dylan16807 12/15/2025|||
Or maybe it wasn't a reason that makes you look superior, and it's just that a couple people thought the joke was annoying.

You also can't evaluate "HN" based on a couple downvotes on a comment in a buried thread. (I can't see what the score was but it's currently positive so I'm guessing a couple.)

worthless-trash 12/16/2025||
It was around negative 12, in my lifetime of comments thats quite a down vote.
Dylan16807 12/16/2025||
And then it came all the way back up? Wow.
gloriadolly305 12/15/2025|||
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