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Posted by Krontab 20 hours ago

Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon(www.techradar.com)
104 points | 102 commentspage 2
ChrisArchitect 19 hours ago|
Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46266070
gsibble 16 hours ago||
Probably no longer profitable and they can change that production capacity to something that is.

I haven't even seen a SATA SSD in 5+ years. Don't know anyone that uses them.

jajuuka 17 hours ago||
SATA SSD's are in a weird space. HDD are cheaper and more reliable for large storage pools. NVME is everywhere and provides those quick speeds and are even faster if you need that. There just aren't many use cases where SATA SSD's are the best option.
vachina 17 hours ago||
SATA SSD has a huge heatsink attached to it. It is crucial for 24/7 use. NVME needs active cooling to survive.
Marsymars 16 hours ago|||
Are any SATA SSDs actually built to sink heat into the enclosure? e.g. The 860 Pro released in 2018 has a PCB taking up a third of plastic enclosure with no heatsinks to speak of: https://www.myfixguide.com/samsung-860-pro-ssd-teardown/

And even in worst-case hammering of drives, thermally throttled NVMEs can still sustain higher speeds than SATA drives.

wtallis 16 hours ago|||
Lots of consumer SATA SSDs don't have any thermal pads between the PCB and the case, and plastic cases are common. Heat just isn't a problem for a drive that's only drawing 2-3W under load.

And most consumer NVMe SSDs don't need any extra cooling for normal use cases, because consumer workloads only generate bursts of high-speed IO and don't sustain high power draw long enough for cooling to be a serious concern.

In the datacenter space where it is actually reasonable to expect drives to be busy around the clock, nobody's been trying to get away with passive cooling even for SATA SSDs.

foxrider 17 hours ago||
SATA SSDs have one advantage though - their size. You don't see m.2 form factor SSDs going well over 8TBs, but for a larger SATA drive you can find >8TBs easily. Samsung had the best offering for this recently - Samsung SSD 870 QVO The enterprise world has U2, but us plebs don't really have a comparable alternative.
pjdesno 15 hours ago||
No advantage over SAS here - it's the same form factor.
zb3 19 hours ago||
Fsck this cartel.. I hope China will fill these gaps and help restore normal prices.
vachina 17 hours ago||
China has also wisened up and is limiting supplies also. Their B2C marketplace is seeing less and less >1TB SSDs and even those who sell I've seen prices x2 in the span of two months.
Flavius 18 hours ago||
You will be down-voted to hell for this comment, but luckily their down-votes can't stop China. Tariffs can though...
cheema33 18 hours ago|||
> down-votes can't stop China. Tariffs can though...

People like you and I pay tariffs. Not China. You realize that right? And how will that stop China? Tariffs mostly hurt American consumers and producers. Just ask farmers.

tracker1 11 hours ago||
First, cost != price. Pricing is in part based on competitive product availability. So if the cost of a product + tariff is greater than the cost of a competing product, there is pressure to reduce that cost. There's also pressure to produce elsewhere, such as domestically to avoid the tariff altogether.

This is a large part of why the tariffs have in fact not had the dramatic impact on all pricing that some have suggested would happen. It's been largely a negotiation tactic first, and second, many products have plenty of margin and competition to allow for pricing to remain relatively level even in the face of tariffs... so it absolutely can, in fact be a burden borne by Chinese manufacturers by lowering margins instead of US importers simply eating the cost of tariffs.

Analemma_ 18 hours ago|||
He's being downvoted because it's a dumb, knee-jerk comment. This has nothing to do with RAM, the thing getting really expensive at the moment, and Samsung isn't even stopping SSD production (which would be worth getting really mad about). It's about stopping production for a specific interface which has long since been saturated by even the cheapest, crummiest SSDs.

SATA SSDs don't really have much of a reason to exist anymore (and to the extent they do, certainly not by Samsung, who specializes in the biggest, baddest, fastest drives you can buy and is probably happy to leave the low end of the market to others).

zb3 17 hours ago||
Funnily enough, I wasn't even downvoted yet :D

But you see, it's hard to post smarter comments when the title and the article don't help..

up2isomorphism 17 hours ago||
People are at same time complaining about data slow but they seem to happily paying AWS 10x for less iops and bandwidth.
fckgw 17 hours ago|
What does this have to do with consumer SATA SSDs?
8cvor6j844qw_d6 18 hours ago|
If Samsung (maybe) ends SSD production and Crucial existing the consumer business, what is the next best alternative for SSD products?

I thought Samsung was the de facto choice for high-quality SSD products.

iooi 18 hours ago||
SATA, not NVMe, they will still be making SSDs.
tracker1 11 hours ago||
there are more non-crucial suppliers of Micron based ram than Crucial... they can pick up the slack... Micron simply wanted to redirect resources to supporting larger contracts to other suppliers over direct consumer support. The market isn't shrinking as a result.

I would suspect the same with Samsung exiting SATA (not NVME) drives... their chips are likely to be used by other MFGs, but even then maybe not as SATA is much slower than what most solid state memory and controllers are capable of supporting. There's also a massive low-end market of competition for SATA SSDs and Samsung sales are likely not the best overall.