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Posted by thatoneengineer 12/16/2025

The World Happiness Report is beset with methodological problems(yaschamounk.substack.com)
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briandw 12/16/2025|
No kidding. I lived in Finland for a few years and no way are they some of the happiest people.
IAmBroom 12/16/2025|
Whom are you replying to? The only other comment I see about Finland agrees with the take that they are happiest.
JimmyJamesJames 12/17/2025||
I think what you think makes you happy is beset with methodological problems.

Wealth, Rich, Successful are words cited as common “better life” in the blog, but that’s simply not true as the World Happiness Report demonstrates.

foobar1962 12/17/2025||
> ..the top of the ladder represents the best possible life for you and the bottom of the ladder represents the worst possible life for you... on which step of the ladder do you feel you personally stand at the present time?

10, I'm living my best possible life. It's conceivable that my "best possible life" may not be as happy as the lifes of other people, but I have achieved the maximum that's possible for me.

Any other "possible life" would require some combination of different genes, being in a different place and living at a different time.

bluGill 12/17/2025|
I see a high mark as a sign you lack the ability to dream. I can imangine living in a mansion with my own personal hockey rink, and dozens of other weird luxuries that I could never afford (and realistically wouldn't use often if at all). Just the difference between that dream and my normal suburban house lowers me to a three. I can think of lots of non house things my best possible life would have - not all are even physically possible and many others are not moral (a few dozen wives who are devoted only to me)
foobar1962 12/17/2025||
Really? Satisfied people lack the ability to dream?
bluGill 12/17/2025||
They dream, but it is a different type of dream.
dang 12/16/2025||
As Garrison Keillor said about the Nordics: "We Lutherans are an optimistic people—our glass is half empty and we're grateful for it."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5152494

owenversteeg 12/16/2025||
I can't stand the conflation of "satisfied" and "happy." It's insane. There is more happiness in one Zimbabwean (country "happiness" rank: 143) than in one hundred Icelanders (country "happiness" rank: 2, worldwide antidepressant consumption rank: 1.) Go stand in a crowd of people and count the fucking smiles and the fucking laughter.

It is all part of this broader wave of newspeak. If you can quite literally redefine happiness, you can redefine anything. Nothing has meaning anymore. You will live alone, you will consume antidepressants, you will be protected from the sunlight, you will not smile, you will not laugh, and you will be happy.

lioeters 12/17/2025||
This hits the nail on the head. The happiest people I've met in my life, and I've been literally around the world, are in some of the poorest "developing" countries. Their basic needs were met, food and shelter, at least for the day. But they didn't have much more, except their friends, family, and the nature around them - forests, rivers, mountains and ocean.

The saddest people I've seen were in the richest countries, like the U.S. and Germany. Yes, the homeless population, I've met them too - but more surprisingly, the wealthy ruling class. They've conquered the land, covered it with concrete and asphalt, colonized their own public, produce and broadcast mass media entertainment, and command the largest militaries. Yet their culture has clearly devolved and degenerated, propped up by drugs, cosmetic surgery, nice clothes, nice houses, nice cars. But it's not enough to fill that emptiness inside.

It's a simplification of course, there are many very miserable poor people, that's the base majority of humanity, on whom the pyramid of modern civilization is built. But I have no respect for those at the top, the self-styled kings of today. They're deeply unhappy people who are not fit to lead the world, much less themselves.

arethuza 12/17/2025||
"the wealthy ruling class"

What always surprises me is that a lot of the most comfortably well off people in the US, and a lesser extend the UK, seem to live in a state of perennial fear.

deaux 12/17/2025||
I agree. I'm interested to hear other's thoughts on happiness without contention vs contention without happiness. To me, the former "feels" preferable, but I'm not sure whether it actually is.
nitwit005 12/16/2025||
I just can't feel confident in any form of self report. In a world where people have difficulty getting their spouses and children to talk honestly about their feelings, how well do we think a survey can do?

It varies wildly by culture, but we're all conditioned somewhat to falsely report our feelings. I don't expect an honest answer if I greet someone with "How are you doing?".

SiempreViernes 12/16/2025|
> I just can't feel confident in any form of self report

How do you decide what to eat when you are out with friends if asking them for their opinion is out?

Or do you ask but then spend all night afterwards worrying that maybe they lied and you should have gone for tacos instead?

Seems exhausting, why not trust people a little?

nitwit005 12/17/2025||
People admit they lie on surveys. There have, somewhat ironically, been surveys about this: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-29206289

I'm afraid struggles with dishonesty about what they want to eat is a somewhat common relationship problem: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/sydaj0/w...

estomagordo 12/16/2025||
The author would do well to educate themselves on the difference between Scandinavia and the Nordics.
oldestofsports 12/16/2025||
It doesn’t matter. Finland is often included when talking about Scandinavia, which in modern days just makes sense culturally. There’s no value in trying to cling to the ”histprically correct” meaning of a particular term. Languages evolve, dictionaries change.
estomagordo 12/16/2025|||
"evolve" meaning "diluted because lots of people are dumb"
oldestofsports 12/18/2025||
That mindset will make you a grumpy old soul. Language is dynamic, not something you can force upon people. From every mouth to ear (or screen to eye) the word is interpreted slightly different.

I mean the original meaning of the word Scandinavia certainly doesnt make sense anymore:

1765, from Late Latin Scandinavia (Pliny), Skandinovia (Pomponius Mela), name of a large and fruitful island vaguely located in northern Europe, a mistake (with unetymological -n-) for Scadinavia, which is from a Germanic source (compare Old English Scedenig, Old Norse Skaney "south end of Sweden"), from Proto-Germanic skadinaujo "Scadia island." The first element is of uncertain origin; the second element is from aujo "thing on the water" (from PIE root *akwā- "water;" see aqua-). It might have been an island when the word was formed; the coastlines and drainage of the Baltic Sea changed dramatically after the melting of the ice caps.

rendall 12/17/2025||
Addressed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46298857
logifail 12/16/2025||
> To put it bluntly, it is a sham

I suspect there may be a pattern, every time I hear on the radio that it's "World $x Day" I'm afraid I start wondering who's actually behind that specific press release and/or what funding and incentives are really in play...

kjuulh 12/17/2025||
From the provided question by WHR I can definitely see how Scandinavian countries rank so high. Being Danish myself my answer would immediately go into long term thinking and whether I would have a better life elsewhere and to me the answer is a clear no. Not financially, socially or politically. So yes, Denmark scores really high, but is it really measuring happiness. I dont know. That said I dont think measuring how often we laugh as a better metric amongst other thing, I can be perfectly "happy" without being outwardly joyous, maybe contentment is a better word. Or well being. But it isn't as catchy i guess
euroderf 12/17/2025||
Hmm perhaps US Declaration of Independence could have cited "certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Contentment".
nephihaha 12/17/2025||
Denmark is probably the best out of these countries in terms of winter (excluding Greenland and the Faroes), but the others get very little sunlight in winter, and have historical alcohol problems.
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