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Posted by Curiositry 1 day ago

Quill OS: An open-source OS for Kobo's eReaders(quill-os.org)
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erelong 22 hours ago|
PostmarketOS runs on a few models of Kobo:

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Category:Kobo

habosa 12 hours ago||
I’m trying to leave the Kindle world. I’ve already stopped buying books on Amazon, instead getting them elsewhere and using Calibre to strip the DRM and sideload them.

What I really want is a physical eink reader that can load books from the bookshop.org ebook store. Then I can support both authors and bookstores.

Their website claims that they have an integration with Kobo on the way, but it’s said this for about a year now with no progress.

Western0 9 hours ago||
I need ssh+mc+cc+git

not for real coding but for sometimes writing a patch and meybe creating a small script

Schinken_ 14 hours ago||
From what I gathered the (germany centric?) available "Tolino" eReaders are just a rebranding of Kobo (or the other way round). So depending on the model the OS should also run on Tolinos right?
7839284023 13 hours ago|
Yes it does.

I bought a Tolino Shine 5 and converted it to Kobo Clara BW following this guide: https://old.reddit.com/r/tolino/comments/1hni1fn/you_can_con...

At the end I still returned the Shine 5 because the small front-facing LED kept shining for no reason. I don’t know if it was hardware related or happened because of the firmware switch.

outlore 1 day ago||
This is very timely, as I recently purchased a Kobo device. One painpoint has been syncing sideloaded books between my phone and Kobo. I am using Readest sync with KOReader but I'd love to see a more seamless solution. Hoping that Quill can offer some sort of sync in the future.
ashtonabc 1 day ago||
I've found Syncthing to work well with my Kobo; it's easier than plugging it in and adding/removing books through Calibre. There's a KOReader plugin (https://github.com/jasonchoimtt/koreader-syncthing), or it can be enabled/disabled through Nickel (https://anarc.at/hardware/tablet/kobo-clara-hd/#install-sync...).
windexh8er 23 hours ago||
This is the best setup I've tried as well. Syncthing works so well I just often forget about it / take it for granted. I used to just deal with plugging our Kobo devices in, but now I can just distribute the relevant media by dropping a file somewhere.

The Kobo devices are truly worth every penny and we've got 4 of them in our household at this point. These are some of the best devices to put in the hands of kids.

anilakar 15 hours ago||
> in the hands of kids

Until you learn the hard way that e-ink displays have a thin, fragile glass plate inside.

windexh8er 10 hours ago||
If the assertion here is that Kobo devices are fragile: they're not.

Our first two Kobo were purchased in 2018 and both have been on every business / personal trip since. I don't particularly go out of my way to protect mine, I have the stock magnetic cover. Other than the edges of it wearing, that's the only visible "damage". My kids have had Kobo since 2019 and they take them everywhere. The Kobo devices are not fragile in the least. I worry more about them being left behind than breaking them.

mkozlows 1 day ago||
KOReader has built in Progress Sync, which works well for the purpose.
wkat4242 23 hours ago||
Yes and Kavita just introduced support for it in epubs. It already had it for comics but that's because their pages are more static, a much easier problem to solve.
stuxnet79 1 day ago||
By OS I take it this includes a kernel and is a full replacement of the native Kobo OS (Nickel)? If so, then I wonder if it's possible to get Kobos to boot directly into KOReader.
qmmmur 1 day ago||
How does this compare to using Plato or KOreader? I currently use Plato for its simplicity.
erikw 1 day ago|
Love Plato- it’s so performant! I’ve always wondered why Kobo doesn’t just throw out what they’ve got and fork it.
t-3 1 day ago||
While I do like Plato, it's got a lot of bugs and design issues... It can't handle epubs without chapters/really large chapters, it is noticeably worse on battery life than KOreader or the stock firmware, the amount of time taken to load the dictionary is proportional to the number of dictionaries, etc.
ac29 1 day ago||
I don't see anything about libby/overdrive support which isn't surprising but is unfortunate.

Integration with libraries is the killer feature of ereaders IMO

47282847 1 day ago||
Is it? Calibre with deDRM is a must for me. I love Overdrive but cannot imagine to stick to the forced regime of lending periods and random waiting times. I also typically read multiple (sometimes dozens of) non-fiction books in parallel, plus one or two fiction. That just wouldn’t work at all with digital lending.
Marsymars 20 hours ago|||
It's the only way that works with digital lending! If you want to always have something available to read you need to be steadily queuing up books, but then they come in at a semi-random time so you have to jump between books depending on lending periods / length / interest to get through everything you have checked out before they get returned.
ForHackernews 15 hours ago|||
This is really sad. You're just pirating books. At least go use a pirate website and don't ruin libraries for the rest of us.

We will no longer have public goods if the public abuses them.

47282847 4 hours ago||
I honestly don’t see the harm about removing the lending period for my personal reading. It will only make me check out and read more books. Can you detail the harm I am causing? It’s like making photocopies of books for my own use, which is still legal.
ForHackernews 2 hours ago||
The chain of causality is about one link long: If libraries become common vectors for privacy, the powers that be will end libraries. https://time.com/6266147/internet-archive-copyright-infringe...

Photocopying an entire book is, in fact, against the law in most cases: https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/academic-and-education...

Selfish people like yourself are why we can't have nice things. Either pay for your books or pirate them outright from bittorrent.

ethagnawl 1 day ago|||
I love the idea of OverDrive but I've yet to have success with it. Either the book I'm interested in isn't available or it's unavailable for weeks. I don't have a ton of time to read or to drop what I am reading when something becomes available, so I usually just wind up buying the book if I'm really excited about it.

Granted, my library is not part of a major city's system but it's also not what I'd call a small one. I'd be curious to know how NYC or Chicago compare, as those are where people I know have had very positive experiences with these options.

y1n0 1 day ago|||
What works for me with overdrive is using holds and then when it comes available, if I'm not ready to read I let someone skip ahead of me. That way I'm still next in line but it gives me a few days until someone else finishes the book and then it pings me again.
aardvarkr 1 day ago||||
If you read one book a quarter then yeah it’s not for you. If you read one book a week you can queue up fifty good books and wait for that one to come available at some point in the year.
komali2 21 hours ago||
I used to do that but then like 10 books would come available at the same time and I'd feel all this pressure to read them as fast as possible.

In the end I gave up and just download now.

IlikeKitties 1 day ago|||
Just Pirate stuff on Annas Archive. Jumping through these ridiculous hoops for less than a floppy disk of data is just a humiliation ritual.
kelnos 21 hours ago||
Authors should get paid for their work, though. Publishers, too, to be honest (they also do a lot of work and usually run on thin margins).

Waiting in line in a library app is annoying, but the waiting signals demand, which drives the library to buy more copies to circulate.

komali2 21 hours ago|||
If you care about the author, navigate to their website and buy a book directly from them, or a tshirt or something. Then they'll actually get paid, unlike from a library loan, or the scraps that Amazon gives them (unless the author depends on Amazon's print on demand for all prints of their books in which case, I guess buy it from Amazon).
ethagnawl 4 hours ago|||
Also consider buying from bookshop.org and supporting a small bookstore in addition to the author.
shrubby 14 hours ago|||
Yup.

In order for the writer not to starve, we must bypass the zillionaires.

Send pennies directly to the artist and work for a just society.

I'd prefer a complete bypass of the enshittified economy. Replaced with a system that doesn't trust that people with absolute power won't turn into narcissist cunts.

We've seen this waterfall of a system in communism, capitalism and more recently technofeodalism so one would think the logical solution would be to replace it with a grassroots up system.

komali2 12 hours ago||
> I'd prefer a complete bypass of the enshittified economy. Replaced with a system that doesn't trust that people with absolute power won't turn into narcissist cunts.

I've been running a co-op for about 4 years now and I really want to expand the model since it seems to be working really well. Turns out giving everyone in the company ownership and an equal say in what we do with our profits (including simply redistributing it to everyone) results in ridiculously hard working people. I'm trying to leverage this into making our own internal product development happen but am kinda stuck coming up with ideas.

Anyway someone interviewed me recently and was asking, "why don't more companies form as co-ops? What's the hidden downsides?" I was surprised that there was this suspicion that there must be some sneaky hidden downside, when in fact co-ops are more sustainable, have lower turnover, higher profit per person, and happier employees. There's no actual downside, it's literally all upsides - oh, except for the fact that there's no way to get obscenely rich as the owner of a co-op. That's it, that's the entire reason. People with capital start companies so they can exploit labor to get even more capital, and only people with capital have enough time and money to start companies, so thus there's not many co-ops.

> replace it with a grassroots up system.

This is basically how Marx wrote about Communism, and how Kropotkin wrote about Anarchist Communism. There have been many... interpretations... of their work in practice. Spanish anarchist syndicalism actually worked remarkably well, they had nearly their entire economy syndicalized before they were betrayed by the communists and then killed en masse by the fascists.

IlikeKitties 21 hours ago|||
> Waiting in line in a library app is annoying, but the waiting signals demand, which drives the library to buy more copies to circulate.

This is not true for digital libraries. They do not "buy more copies" to circulate. They don't physically send you an USB Stick with a copy of the book and you send that back without making a copy. They can send everyone "in line" as many copies as they want. Whats the size of an ebook these days? 1MB? How many trillion copies could you make in a day?

You have to wait in line to hopefully someday maybe be allowed to read a copy of a book while meta torrents a petabyte of books for their AI usage. This is nothing but a humiliation ritual.

Marsymars 20 hours ago||
> They do not "buy more copies" to circulate.

That is exactly how ebook licenses for libraries work.

IlikeKitties 20 hours ago||
No, that is not how ebook licenses work. They buy more LICENSES not more COPIES.
wkat4242 22 hours ago||
Huh cool, we don't have any such large online libraries in Europe. Some countries or regions have some small online repos but it's a real PITA to get working as they all use Adobe drm.

I used to buy on kindle but since they made it much harder to break drm I just pirate now. I'm not paying for content I don't get to own.

47282847 21 hours ago||
I have an account with Berlin libraries and they offer both Libby and Overdrive (and some others) with a fairly large catalog. There is deDRM for calibre, and a command line tool called Knock which does not require Adobe software to remove the DRM.
wkat4242 18 hours ago||
Ah nice we don't have anything like that here.

But I don't think I will go back from what I'm doing now. It took a lot to get me to leave Amazon, but the DRM thing and also lately the larger amount of books "not available in your country or region" has just made me give up on the industry.

I will buy books now only if they are available to buy without DRM, and if they are not I will just pirate them.

didacusc 13 hours ago||
If they ever make a Kobo like the Kindle Oasis, I'll switch. Until then, I'm holding onto the best e-reader experience I've ever had.
ctkhn 1 day ago|
Love my jailbroken kindle, but would love a full replacement OS like this.
haoya 1 day ago|
Yes, Quill OS would look amazing running on a Kindle!
Curiositry 23 hours ago||
Currently supported devices lists Kindle Touch: https://github.com/Quill-OS/quill/wiki#currently-supported-d...
ctkhn 21 hours ago||
I've got a paperwhite 4. But for now KUAL is enough
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