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Posted by tortilla 12/16/2025

Texas is suing all of the big TV makers for spying on what you watch(www.theverge.com)
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indoordin0saur 12/18/2025|
In Soviet Russia TV watches YOU!
DougN7 12/18/2025||
It seems like there is a big business opportunity for someone to create a box you attach to your network to filter outgoing info, and incoming ads. Too much work for a tiny team to research what everything is talking to, and MITM your devices and watch DNS queries, etc, but if there was something dead simple to block a Samsung fridge from getting to its ad server, I have to think it would sell.
adolph 12/18/2025||
A sibling comment says "just use Pi-hole" which kind of works and is also inadequate. A similar system is Ad Guard Home. These work at the DNS level with preset lists of bad domains. They aren't necessarily going to catch your TV calling out to notanadserver.samsung.com because that domain name is not recorded in the list of naughty domains. They are definitely not going to help if your device reaches out via IP.

Another approach is to disallow all DNS or only allow *.netflix.com for the TV. In my experience attempting to only allow certain domains is a game of whackamole where everyone in the house complains their stuff is broken because it needs undocumentedrandomdomain.com.

gruez 12/18/2025||
>Another approach is to disallow all DNS or only allow *.netflix.com for the TV. In my experience attempting to only allow certain domains is a game of whackamole where everyone in the house complains their stuff is broken because it needs undocumentedrandomdomain.com.

...not to mention that apps have random third party SDKs that are required, and might not work if you block those domains. A/B testing/feature flags SDKs, and DRMs (for provisioning keys) come to mind.

sxates 12/18/2025|||
That exists, it's called a pi-hole, and it's very popular. It will block the 'tv spy' apps.
jimt1234 12/18/2025|||
I tried using a Pi-hole for this exact reason: prevent bullcrap TV ads. My Roku TV wouldn't stopped working. I had to whitelist so many roku-related domains that it basically became pointless.
travem 12/18/2025||
I had the same issue, decided to remove Roku instead…

I used to have a Roku TV, plus a a few of the standalone Roku Ultras for my other (non-Roku) TVs. I got a full page advert when I started up the TV one day and started the process of replacing them all (I think it is when Roku were experimenting with that).

Over about a year I replaced them with Apple TVs* and the user experience is far better, plus the amount of tracking domains reported by Pi-hole dropped precipitously! The TVs don't have internet access at all, they are just driven via the HDMI port now.

* I replaced the Ultras first, and when the Roku TV eventually started acting laggy on the apps I replaced the Roku TV as well.

DougN7 12/19/2025|||
I thought of pi-hole but I’m not sure it is dead simple. I’m thinking a box that your incoming internet connections connects to and an outgoing connection to your wifi router.

The market probably isn’t big enough yet, but I’ll bet it grows. I mean _Texas_ is bringing it up!

globular-toast 12/19/2025||
Encryption works against you when the attacker is inside your network. The solution is to keep them out.
brewdad 12/18/2025|||
Until Samsung builds a fridge that won't cool if it goes more than some period of time (a week?) without pinging their servers. They'd probably get away with it given the friction of getting a large appliance out of your home and back to the store. Bonus evil points for making this feature active only after the return/warranty period expires.
packetlost 12/18/2025||
You probably overestimate the market for something like that. Most people don't know or care. Those that do are more likely to hang out on HN or adjacent places and know how to deal with it themselves anyways.
Cthulhu_ 12/19/2025||
> accusing them of “secretly recording what consumers watch in their own homes.”

Secret? There's T's&C's that people agree to when starting up their TV that tells them.

That doesn't make it right of course and it shouldn't just be opt-in, it should be banned entirely. If you want to analyse my viewing behaviour, pay me.

moooo99 12/19/2025||
I would be curious to see a comparison of the T&Cs in these TVs.

I generally agree that reading the T&C is on the user and you cannot blame the lack if transparency onto the company, IF the T&C are sufficiently comprehensible. Some T&Cs I‘ve read are written in obscure enough legalese that it might as well be considered hidden information

lodovic 12/19/2025||
So you buy a new TV, unpack and install it, and then when the whole family is gathered around, you suddenly get this confirmation on the TV if you agree with their T&C. Are you supposed to reject them and return the TV at this point? T&C should be part of the purchase agreement, instead of being forced upon the user while using the product after purchase. Any one-sided change of T&C after purchase should be invalid and punishable.
rcMgD2BwE72F 12/19/2025||
It's secret because they don't tell you exactly what they record and how. Can you?
1yvino 12/18/2025||
surprising to see that this lawsuit hasn't originated from CA given the privacy laws that was established such as CCPA.
dredmorbius 12/19/2025|
California is friendlier to both advertising (Google, Facebook) and entertainment (Hollywood, generally), which might tip the balance.

But yes.

danielodievich 12/19/2025||
It gives me distinct pleasure to see the little network cable plug from the cable coming from TV be sticking just so half-way out of the network switch enough so that I can easily plug it back in without hunting for it behind all the equipment, but also enough to know it can't talk to anything.
saghm 12/20/2025||
If I had been told I'd an article today with the phrase "Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton claims..." and asked to predict the remainder of the sentence, a reasonable pro-consumer stance would probably not have been in my top 20 guesses.
StanislavPetrov 12/19/2025||
I've got two more dumb TVs sitting in my closet for when this one burns out for exactly this reason.
sycren 12/19/2025||
So what if a large TV is being used to cast business information in a meeting?

It's ironic that Sony as a media producer and TV maker could be streaming copyrighted images for an algorithm to use.

Could this be used as an example from AI companies on the use of copyrighted images for training data?

herodotus 12/19/2025||
What bugs me is that it is impossible to buy a TV these days that is not "smart". (Of course I know I can just not connect it to the internet, and I don't, but I wish there was a company in the TV market which would make privacy a selling point).
wileydragonfly 12/19/2025|
“How many times is he gonna watch that Kathy Ireland swimsuit special for 2-3 minutes?”

“X + 1”

I hope they’re enjoying the video footage.

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