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Posted by throwaway019254 7 days ago

Coursera to combine with Udemy(investor.coursera.com)
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braza 6 days ago|
The only potential aspect that might be bad at least for me is that, even with Udemy having a bigger variance in terms of general quality Coursera will impose it course aesthetics, rigidness in the syllabus, and bring a lot of people not in the market to give the courses.

I like the idea of having some professor of high credential US university given lectures about the things in some accessble way and I think this has a huge value, but at least for me, since Udemy is more about tactical courses in 10 out of 10 times I will go with the person in the market that pulled a course que a great and non-exhastive content bringing all the tips and tricks of the market, even if he/she does not make the bad in the background.

I do not see those 2 things co-existing if Coursera impose it.

belter 7 days ago||
Udemy course ratings have always felt absurd to me.

The few times I spent a few bucks, out of curiosity, on some technical courses with near perfect scores, was horrified to find the instructor could barely speak English, audio seemed to have been recorded out an internet cafe in some 3rd world country, and explanations were shallow or confusing.

The surprise was not that a $5 to $25 course was bad. The surprise was the mismatch with the numeric rating, reviews and student testimonies, compared to actual course content. I can only imagine, most reviews are fake and the rating system has issues.

astrostl 6 days ago||
It's such an amazing business model:

- create a platform to host content others create

- get employees to ask for company-provided access

- almost none of these employees really use it

- collect subscription revenue indefinitely

zelphirkalt 6 days ago||
I once did 2 moocs on coursera about machine learning, and I learned a lot, but some time afterwards, they f'ed up their login so much, that they required Google stuff to be loaded, which made me reconsider even logging in there. The platform seemed to get ever more bloated. Maybe I should check what their status is now, whether one can use their site without implicitly agreeing to being tracked by Google.

No idea about whether the courses on there are still any good.

zelphirkalt 6 days ago|
Addendum: Oh OK, they f'ed it up even more now, so that the login page doesn't even appear, when you click login and don't enable JS. How silly. I guess they have also fallen to the "everything must be an SPA" fad.
piyushpr134 7 days ago||
Universities are not going anywhere MOOC are a dead end
Blackthorn 7 days ago||
Dead end for what? Quality recordings of real lectures have been amazing for self improvement. I've never gone into it expecting a meaningful certificate, just meaning for me living my life.
ghaff 7 days ago||
You're probably in the small minority at least when it comes to forking over material dollars. Most people spending money, at least beyond trade paperback range, are probably looking for something that has at least a plausible connection to real income.
Blackthorn 7 days ago||
If that was true, no music teacher selling independent lessons would be able to survive.
ghaff 7 days ago||
It's not clear to me that independent tutors are generally getting rich. But there clearly are activities that benefit from individual training. I imagine music is one of those. But that mostly probably falls into the luxury goods category.
Blackthorn 7 days ago|||
"Getting rich" is a substantial movement of the goalposts. The point is that people are spending money outside the trade paperback range on education, either for themselves or for their children (I've seen quite a wide distribution while in the waiting room), that has nothing to do with income.
f6v 7 days ago|||
Turns out that an online certificate isn't worth anything when layoffs happen and the market is oversaturated with people who have real degrees. MOOCs have their place, but it's a very narrow set of disciplines.
GuestFAUniverse 7 days ago|||
I work at a university and half of the coursework seems worse than the good MOOCs. Esp. the more practical ones.

(Might be a problem of that university, still ...)

user_7832 7 days ago|||
It's probably not a uni specific issue. I went to a top EU uni, and there absolutely were courses that could've just been an ~~email~~ video. Admitedly not everything was bad, but the quality of education isn't as high as it should be.
SoftTalker 7 days ago||
We have a lot more students in university, and a lot more professors. Inevitably this means converging on "average."
GuestFAUniverse 6 days ago||
More students _per course_ than a MOOC cohort? -- doubt. If you add up all courses of a while discipline, edu portals still serve way more students.

In our department, about 20% reach a master. Sure that's more well rounded than a random bunch of courses, but it should be possible to even surpass the rigid choices of a lot of universities. I have no numbers for MOOCs at hand. If I had to guess: more like a gym: a lot of members, an order of magnitude less finishers?

I personally prefer the interaction on campus. But I dislike the outdated content of a lot of professors -- I'm not arguing about basics that are still relevant, I mean their /SoTA/ from 5-15y ago.

f6v 6 days ago|||
Well, I work at a university too. At least in biomedicine, every MOOC is extremely shallow. The most advanced MOOC is an introductory-level when compared to the university courses.
jsdwarf 7 days ago||||
I wouldn't be so tough on the online certificates. The key value I get out of Coursera is an unbeatable "time to knowledge" and some proof it was me who attended the course through the id verification. Compare that to traditional in-person education, where you are bound to fixed course dates, long approval timelines etc. Until you get feedback from HR that you are eligible for a course/training, i've probably already completed it via my Coursera complete subscription.
ghaff 7 days ago||||
I'm not sure offline certificates mean a whole lot when layoffs matter either.

But MOOCs and other purely online options just didn't result in any meaningful certification especially outside of a connection to established universities. And, given that, people/companies weren't interested in paying significant bucks for them.

It was probably a useful experiment. Just not a very successful one. And once the experiment faltered, schools/professors became less interested in putting money and energy into it.

All the evidence is that most of the students/potential students who weren't already motivated to pursuing independent learning didn't really connect to all this online material.

hexagonsuns 7 days ago|||
Just wait until you find out that real degrees also aren't worth anything anymore
f6v 6 days ago||
It's not a question whether they are or not worth something. It's just that it's a much more meaningful differentiator when there's an overabundance of talent. CVs are going to be filtered based on something. And people with no degree are going to have a much more difficult time getting through the automated screening. That will come as a surprise to people who were promised they'll get a job by paying $1000 for a "nano-degree".
vmilner 7 days ago|||
My alma mater (University of Nottingham UK) has just stopped all music and modern language teaching, which (for a very popular, respected, large campus institution) seems a bad sign for universities generally.
walthamstow 6 days ago||
And that's with all the foreign student bonanza money. My inlaws live in Notts and all they see getting built is student blocks. Imagine what'll happen when the next government drastically limits student visas.
torginus 6 days ago||
Honestly years out of college, I really want to refresh my engineering education, and perhaps get academically rigorous education on topics I missed out on back then.

While these Udemy is fine for building up CV bullet point skills, I have never felt that these tutorial based job training courses, designed to teach you framework N+1 were as useful as more fundamentaly and in depth courses that lead you to understand how things really work.

BeetleB 6 days ago||
> While these Udemy is fine for building up CV bullet point skills, I have never felt that these tutorial based job training courses, designed to teach you framework N+1 were as useful as more fundamentaly and in depth courses that lead you to understand how things really work.

That's what Udemy was from the start. If you want depth, it was always Coursera.

https://www.coursera.org/browse/physical-science-and-enginee...

chrisweekly 7 days ago||
This same week, Egghead (https://egghead.io) started offering $500 lifetime access to everything they ever made or will make. There's definitely some excellent material in their catalog. But the signals sure seem to point toward the decline of centralized human-created coursework.
azemetre 7 days ago||
Egghead.io is not worth it, the courses there have a shelf life even shorter than frontendmasters. Authors mostly use it to dump their wares then never update the course afterwards while breaking API changes litter their backlog making most content, unless it was released in the last 3 months, worthless.

Absolutely not worth it since the courses are on par with random youtube tutorials IMO.

Also really dislike the pattern of some popular frontend frameworks selling basic documentation in the form of "courses."

chrisweekly 6 days ago||
Thanks for replying. Agreed on shelf life, but IME at least some of the egghead materials, at the time of publication, have been worthwhile to me. But that experience (5+ years ago) is quite possibly out of date.
SoftTalker 7 days ago|||
Whose lifetime?
chrisweekly 7 days ago||
(meta: genuinely curious why my observation was downvoted. I may take a further karma hit for mentioning it but worth it if it elicits a meaningful response. what gives?)
philipwhiuk 7 days ago|||
At a guess, because it sounds like a product pitch and these 'lifetime payment things' are ALWAYS curtailed if the product actually survives.
layer8 7 days ago|||
I didn’t downvote you, but lifetime offerings tend to be a red flag.
chrisweekly 6 days ago||
Agreed! (That's why I mentioned it in the context of TFA.) Thanks for replying tho
chrisgd 6 days ago||
It’s funny because everyone under the sun has been telling these two companies to come together since 2018 when online learning courses started to fade away. They are finally doing it after both went public and lost 80% of their value. At least the management team is going to make some money.
fuzztester 6 days ago|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udemy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagan_Biyani

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