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Posted by birdculture 7 days ago

AWS CEO says replacing junior devs with AI is 'one of the dumbest ideas'(www.finalroundai.com)
1070 points | 532 commentspage 9
coolThingsFirst 7 days ago|
Yes they decapitated careers now when the bubble is about to burst, well sorry.
MSKJ 7 days ago||
I would think you need Juniors to get Seniors. Or is there another way?
butterisgood 7 days ago||
correct.
ubicomp 7 days ago||
FINALLY.
mocha_nate 7 days ago||
and yet...
elmean 7 days ago||
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msdrigg 7 days ago||
I think you might have terminal brain rot
linuxhansl 7 days ago|||
I think you made that up.
jjmarr 7 days ago|||
Week 1: 64 interns

Week 2: 32 interns

Week 3: 16 interns

Week 4: 8 interns

Week 5: 4 interns

Week 6: 2 interns

Week 7: 1 intern

Week 8: 0.5 interns

Is it possible to make it to the end of the summer without getting sliced in half?

cobbal 7 days ago|||
If they don't agree to be turned into a cyborg, are they really using enough AI?
elmean 7 days ago||
Agreed
geodel 7 days ago|||
If these interns think a bit they both should run away by end of week six.
glitchc 7 days ago|||
You must really not trust your hiring process.
elmean 7 days ago||
This is the hiring process...
glitchc 6 days ago||
Wait, so these interns were screened, interviewed, added to the company payroll and health plan, given access to corporate infrastructure, and then let go in successive waves? As part of your hiring process?
nerdsniper 7 days ago|||
How much do these interns get paid per hour?
elmean 7 days ago||
I don't understand the question, they are interns
happymellon 7 days ago|||
Wow, what a shit working environment.
otikik 7 days ago|||
> each week we slim down to group by half

What the hell.

Consider making them fight each other in an arena, you could monetize that.

elmean 7 days ago||
Hunger games style I like it
nehal3m 7 days ago||
Am I missing some irony or sarcasm here? Aren't internships meant to spend some time teaching people the ropes in return for free hands? This sounds like a weird Jack Welch circlejerk.
elmean 7 days ago||
The creamé settles to the top
dogemaster2032 7 days ago||
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smurda 7 days ago|
This sounds like a comment from someone who doesn't have visibility into how good the models are getting and how close they are to fully autonomous, production-grade software development.
Nextgrid 7 days ago||
This is an easy theory to prove; if AI was anywhere close to a senior engineer, we'd see the costs of software development drop by a corresponding amount or quality would be going up. Not to mention delivery would become faster. With LLMs being accessible to the general public I'd also expect to see this in the open-source world.

I see none of that happening - software quality is actually in freefall (but AI is not to blame here, this began even before the LLM era), delivery doesn't seem to be any faster (not a surprise - writing code has basically never been the bottleneck and the push to shove AI everywhere probably slows down delivery across the board) nor cheaper (all the money spent on misguided AI initiatives actually costs more).

It is a super easy bet to take with money - software development is still a big industry and if you legitimately believe AI will do 90% of a senior engineer you can start a consultancy, undercut everyone else and pocket the difference. I haven’t heard of any long-term success stories with this approach so far.

throw1235435 6 days ago||
TL;DR: Code is the easy part; and at least in the last few years was rarely the bottleneck so even if we get rid of coding we don't deliver infinity amount of software. The "What to build" usually takes longer than building it. The amount will only go up where coding was holding things up or the main portion of time spent in delivering software (Hint: It usually isn't even 20% of the time in delivery times in my experience). There's many other stages to the SDLC and lots of processes even before then for large scale systems.

On your point about a consultancy; many of the software dev consultancies will dry up w.r.t work. There won't be success as you state -> after all if your consultancy can do it so can an LLM so why do I need you as the middleman? After all just get Claude/Gemini/etc to do it for small things; you are already seeing this effect in things like graphic design, copywriting and other small creative skills. For large things with large complexity and judgement you need domain experts and guardrails again and other non-coding jobs -> that slows things down considerably so but still better to be in those jobs than anything requiring intelligence now.

As a result coding could easily be automated entirely and we may only see for example 20% increase in total "large" software velocity. As I mentioned in another comment it will be the people in the chain who produce little value but are required for other reasons (e.g. compliance, due diligence, sales, consultants, etc) that will remain and will be the bottleneck. The people that techies thought offered little value and made up inefficiencies and didn't contribute at all -> they have the last laugh in the end and they have AI to thank for that.

Personally in my team I know we are seeing significant improvement to the point where hiring is no longer considered; I'm worried about our senior staff even. Anything that is labor, and not deciding "what to do" I feel I no longer need help with nearly as much. This is many components in a large public org. Feel like I only need two staff now, and that's more to understand the problem and what to do then the action of actually doing it; and a backup for accountability. If I hire more its only because we I can't keep up with the AI and am burning out, and I won't because I don't want to "hire to fire" later on if we run out of product work. It makes me anxious, and I can't recommend anyone with honesty to make this their career anymore; anything else feels more like false hope at this point.

joshribakoff 7 days ago|||
This sounds like a comment from someone who has tested it in a limited capacity such as small blog sites or side projects that did not need to be maintained
JackSlateur 7 days ago||
Yes, you are right

I'm yet to see that production-grade code written by these production-grade models;