> The ecosystem is why your node_modules folder is 2GB. The

And every months a few of those modules try to exfiltrate your credentials…

False dichotomy. Your only options aren't HTMX or React/Vue/Svelte when web standards like custom elements have been here for years, are smaller, faster, and work with all your browsers (including the ones on your phone).

The framework has been built into the browser for a while now.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Guid...

For those wanting different colored pills, there are

https://justfuckingusereact.com

https://justfuckingusetailwind.com

https://www.justfuckinguserails.com

I liked the idea that htmx is good for those middle of the road cases where you're not doing anything fancy but I didn't end up using it very often though because if I'm not doing something fancy then I'm not going to ask my user to leave their terminal anyhow.

I'm a big fan of returning html instead of json when possible and I've been htmx curious for a bit.

With all the examples people keep using, I assumed it would be way smaller. 16kb minified is a lot.

Looking at the docs just now the core api seems reasonable, but it a lot larger than I'd assumed.

The Demo 3 Live Search example has really nasty scroll jank issues. I’m guessing it’s caused by the results being inserted inline in the document (and thus redoing the layout of much of the page) instead of being placed in some sort of overlay.

> Junior devs losing their minds over why useEffect runs twice

Oh now now, even senior devs do this too :)

I did. I found it to have quite a few problems with bugs, docs, and web page lifecycle.

I switched to Hotwire/Stimulus and found it to be a significantly better implementation of the same core concepts. I'd highly recommend checking them out.

> Or are you building another dashboard, another admin panel, another e-commerce site, another blog, another SaaS app that's fundamentally just forms and tables and lists?

Install an open source admin panel and call it a day.