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Posted by sidmanchkanti21 6 days ago

Launch HN: Pulse (YC S24) – Production-grade unstructured document extraction

Hi HN, we’re Sid and Ritvik, co-founders of Pulse (https://www.runpulse.com/). Pulse is a document extraction system to create LLM-ready text using hybrid VLM + OCR models.

Here’s a demo video: https://video.runpulse.com/video/pulse-platform-walkthrough-....

Later in this post, you’ll find links to before-and-after examples on particularly tricky cases. Check those out to see what Pulse can really do! Modern vision language models are great at producing plausible text, but that makes them risky for OCR and data ingestion. Plausibility isn’t good enough when you need accuracy.

When we started working on document extraction, we assumed the same thing many teams do: foundation models are improving quickly, multi-modal systems appear to read documents well, what’s not to like? And indeed, for small or clean inputs, those assumptions mostly give good results. However, limitations show up once you begin processing real documents in volume. Long PDFs, dense tables, mixed layouts, low-fidelity scans, and financial or operational data expose errors that are subtle, hard to detect, and expensive to correct. Outputs look reasonable even though they contain small but important mistakes, especially in tables and numeric fields.

Running into those challenges got us working. We ran controlled evaluations on complex documents, fine tuned vision models, and built labeled datasets where ground truth actually matters. There have been many nights where our team stayed up hand-annotating pages, drawing bounding boxes around tables, labeling charts point by point, or debating whether a number was unreadable or simply poorly scanned. That process shaped our intuition far more than benchmarks.

One thing became clear quickly. The core challenge is not extraction itself, but confidence. Vision language models embed document images into high-dimensional representations optimized for semantic understanding, not precise transcription. That process is inherently lossy. When uncertainty appears, models tend to resolve it using learned priors instead of surfacing ambiguity. This behavior can be helpful in consumer settings. In production pipelines, it creates verification problems that do not scale well. Pulse grew out of our trying to address this gap through system design rather than prompting alone.

Instead of treating document understanding as a single generative step, our system separates layout analysis from language modeling. Documents are normalized into structured representations that preserve hierarchy and tables before schema mapping occurs. Extraction is constrained by schemas defined ahead of time, and extracted values are tied back to source locations so uncertainty can be inspected rather than guessed away. In practice, this results in a hybrid approach that combines traditional computer vision techniques, layout models, and vision language models, because no single approach handles these cases reliably on its own.

We are intentionally sharing a few documents that reflect the types of inputs that motivated this work. These are representative of cases where we saw generic OCR or VLM-based pipelines struggle.

Here is a financial 10K: https://platform.runpulse.com/dashboard/examples/example1

Here is a newspaper: https://platform.runpulse.com/dashboard/examples/example2

Here is a rent roll: https://platform.runpulse.com/dashboard/examples/example3

Pulse is not perfect, particularly on highly degraded scans or uncommon handwriting, and we’re working on improvements. However, our goal is not to eliminate errors entirely, but to make them visible, auditable, and easier to reason about.

Pulse is available via usage-based access to the API and platform You can sign up to try it at https://platform.runpulse.com/login. API docs are at https://docs.runpulse.com/introduction.

We’d love to hear how others here evaluate correctness for document extraction, which failure modes you have seen in practice, and what signals you rely on to decide whether an output can be trusted.

We will be around to answer questions and are happy to run additional documents if people want to share examples. Put links in the comments and we’ll plug them in and get back to you.

Looking forward to your comments!

39 points | 36 commentspage 2
sidcool 6 days ago|
Congrats on launching. Seems very interesting.
canadiantim 6 days ago||
Can you increase correctness by giving examples to the model? And key terms or nouns expected?
mikert89 6 days ago||
AI models will do all this natively
ritvikpandey21 6 days ago||
we disagree! we've found llms by themselves aren't enough and suffer from pretty big failure modes like hallucination and inferring text rather than pure transcription. we wrote a blog about this [1]. the right approach so far seems to be a hybrid workflow that uses very specific parts of the language model architecture.

[1] https://www.runpulse.com/blog/why-llms-suck-at-ocr

mritchie712 6 days ago|||
> Why LLMs Suck at OCR

I paste screenshots into claude code everyday and it's incredible. As in, I can't believe how good it is. I send a screenshot of console logs, a UI and some HTML elements and it just "gets it".

So saying they "Suck" makes me not take your opinion seriously.

ritvikpandey21 6 days ago|||
yeah models are definitely improving, but we've found even the latest ones still hallucinate and infer text rather than doing pure transcription. we carry out very rigorous benchmarks against all of the frontier models. we think the differentiation is in accuracy on truly messy docs (nested tables, degraded scans, handwriting) and being able to deploy on-prem/vpc for regulated industries.
mikert89 6 days ago|||
they need to convince customers its what they need
serjester 6 days ago||||
This is a hand wavy article that dismisses away VLMs without acknowledging the real world performance everyone is seeing. I think it’d be far more useful if you published an eval.
mikert89 6 days ago|||
one or two more model releases, and raw documents passed to claude will beat whatever prompt voodoo you guys are cooking
holler 6 days ago||
Having worked in the space I have real doubts about that. Right now Claude and other top models already do a decent job at e.g. "generate OCR from this document". But as mentioned there are serious failure modes, it's non-deterministic, and especially cost-prohibitive at scale.
throw03172019 6 days ago||
This is like saying AI models can generate images. But a hyper focused model or platform on image generation will do better (for now)
asdev 6 days ago|
How is this different from Extend(Also YC)?
ritvikpandey21 6 days ago|
we're more focused on the core extraction layer itself rather than workflow tooling. we train our own vision models for layout detection, ocr, and table parsing from scratch. the key thing for us is determinism and auditability, so outputs are reproducible run over run, which matters a lot for regulated enterprises.