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Posted by captn3m0 12/19/2025

Amazon will allow ePub and PDF downloads for DRM-free eBooks(www.kdpcommunity.com)
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asplake 12/19/2025|
As the author of five books (and my most recent one entirely self-published), I haven't yet worked out how I feel about this or how to respond. My current compromise is to charge more on the DRM-free LeanPub.
freedomben 12/19/2025||
Genuine questions here, not rhetorical or trying to imply anything with them.

Why charge more on a DRM free site? Do you think people buying from there are doing so that they can share the book illegally?

If someone wants to share the book illegally, I would imagine they'll just download it from one of the pirate mirrors out there and not bother paying you at all. My guess is you're probably just reducing the number of people willing to pay the price. Classic supply and demand curve against price.

asplake 12/19/2025||
Where possible, I try not to focus on negative motives. Quite simply, if people see a benefit in DRM-free, why not expect them to pay for it? And there are other platforms beside the two I mentioned – it’s not a choice between DRM-free and (for better or for worse) Amazon.
rpdillon 12/19/2025|||
In case your question was not rhetorical: to folks like me, I view DRM as abuse, because it inevitably leads to me paying for something that I won't end up being able to access down the line. It is in direct conflict with building a library. Having the author opt-in to applying DRM to their books (as you have on Amazon and Google Play, for example) and then expected me to pay them extra so I can actually own the thing I paid for makes me take three steps back from the "Buy" button. I tend to just walk out rather than be treated that way. As a result, I've stopped buying Amazon Kindle books entirely (now that I can't strip the DRM). If I'm paying the money, I'm going to demand control, and if I can't get that control, there will be no transaction.

FWIW, LeanPub for your book suggests $25, and the DRM-laden version is $13.50. That's quite the premium!

asplake 12/19/2025||
I reduced Amazon pricing yesterday for Christmas
rpdillon 12/20/2025||
Makes sense!
nprateem 12/19/2025|||
This is silly. You aren't competing with amazon you're competing with Anna. If someone is interested in DRM free they aren't stupid. Take the sale but don't take the piss.
wrxd 12/19/2025|||
Out of curiosity, what’s the ratio between sales on Amazon and the DRM-free option?
asplake 12/19/2025||
Amazon wins by miles, almost to the point of incomparability. For all my issues with Amazon, that’s fine by me: compared to all other platforms, that’s where the reviews and other forms of social proof are.
criddell 12/19/2025|||
How do you evaluate if the DRM is working as intended?
asplake 12/19/2025||
Sales on Amazon are working as intended. DRM there is not a variable I can control.
m01 12/19/2025||
Another possible compromise might be to use watermarking-based DRM. Amazon doesn't seem to support it, but other e-bookstores do. In any case, thank you for offering the LeanPub option!
jrm4 12/19/2025||
Haha, what a headline.

The internet "allows" ePub and PDF downloads for ALL books. Adjust yourselves accordingly.

everdrive 12/19/2025||
Amazon deserves a lot of criticism in the general sense, but this can only be seen as a positive move. Most importantly, if they set an industry standard, others might follow.

Fundamentally, I prefer a physical book to a digital one. But, the primary reason I'd never even entertain a digital book is the lack of ownership. Ownership is incredibly important, and we need to celebrate victories when they happen.

freedomben 12/19/2025|||
I agree this is a positive step, but this is like notch 1 on a scale of 0 to 100, 0 being maximum abuse of your customer. I think it's downright evil not to allow this for DRM free books, which they have been doing for many years now. It is positive that they reduced the level of evil by a little bit, and I'll give them credit for that, but this movement is so minor in the scope of things that it does not sway me whatsoever to go back to buying from their Kindle store
TheCoelacanth 12/19/2025||||
It's a positive move, but too little, too late. These same publishers have already been available DRM-free from other stores for a long time.
jrm4 12/19/2025|||
Why?

Genuine question.

What's to "celebrate?" This is like "celebrating" a ketchup company removing the rat hairs.

IAmBroom 12/19/2025||
Not every person likes sailing under the Jolly Roger, matey.
jrm4 12/19/2025|||
Oh, as a lawyer, I must insist that you should never do piracy and its wrong, which is why I try to inform people as much about this thing so that they can avoid it.

:)

NoMoreNicksLeft 12/19/2025|||
Too much convenience, selection, and the prices are all too low!
monomial 12/19/2025||
Do yourself a favor and go get a Kobo reader, install KO Reader on it and never look back.
mapontosevenths 12/19/2025|
I like to be able to price shop, but I do want to support the authors. So I use Kobo & Kindle, then buy it wherever it's cheapest usually.

Then I use epubor ultimate to convert to epub and read it on my generic e-ink reader. Some folks object to the licensing or whatever with epubor (unattributed GPL?) but it works, it's easy, and when Amazon tightens up the DRM they always find a way around it eventually.

freedomben 12/19/2025||
Dang, it's unfortunate they don't support Linux
drnick1 12/20/2025||
I'll never use Amazon for anything that isn't physically delivered to my door. They can keep their Fire tablets, TVs, and other spyware.
nottorp 12/19/2025||
For all three DRM-free titles?
literalAardvark 12/19/2025||
Not even, it's opt-in.
NetMageSCW 12/19/2025||
There are thousands.
caseysoftware 12/19/2025||
I've "collected" 500+ Kindle titles over the years and stopped buying from them completely when they blocked downloads earlier this year. When they enable these downloads, I'm going to export the ones I didn't get last time and continue NOT buying from them.

Fool me once..

IlikeKitties 12/19/2025||
The current experience of using a Kobo Libre Color, Koreader, any webdav mounted in koreader and pirating everything on annas archive et. al. cannot be beat by any commercial offering. Unsuprisingly my copy of 1984 has never been deleted from my NAS
WolfeReader 12/19/2025||
I love breaking DRM, but you should at least buy the books. Authors, editors, illustrators, and translators all deserve to be paid for their work.
kstrauser 12/19/2025||
That's my take. I break the DRM off books I've bought. I own those copies. I'll format shift them for my own convenience. Bought on Kindle but want to read on my Kobo? It's impossible to make me feel guilt about that.

But I don't read books I haven't legally acquired, whether through a paid bookstore, or temporarily borrowed via Libby, or Standard Ebooks or whatever. I won't yell at other people for doing that, but I don't do it myself. In a nutshell, I follow the same rules as with physical books I own (or temporarily possess).

stringsandchars 12/19/2025|||
> pirating everything on annas archive et. al. cannot be beat by any commercial offering

While I understand people pirating movies - there are hundreds of movies I'd happily pay to watch, but which are literally unavailable to me because of some arbitrary 'regional' restriction imposed by the distributors. But I can't think of a single book that isn't available in most parts of the world - certainly they're available wherever a Kobo is for sale.

So how are new books going to be published in the future, if people like you don't pay writers for their work? Would you like your work to be pirated, so you wouldn't be able to even buy another Kobo?

spidermonkey23 12/19/2025|||
I feel like if the platform is unwilling to give you access to books you posted for, you should be able to download them from arrr without authors or publishers being affected financially - buy first pirate later.
IAmBroom 12/19/2025||||
People have been writing for much longer than writing has been a profession. And their work has been published by the means of the day, which pre-Gutenberg in the West meant hand-copying.

It's not immoral in any way to make a living off of your own creations, but - artists gonna art.

NoMoreNicksLeft 12/19/2025||||
>Would you like your work to be pirated,

Imagine being so good at writing, that people out there are trying to get a copy of it that they can upload to The Pirate Bay. Hell yeh, I'd love that... seems like reaching the big leagues.

kmeisthax 12/19/2025|||
Datahoarders with hard drives full of pirated books are not nearly as much of a threat to writers as, say, AI slop making it difficult to market new books. If you pirate a book and read it, the author can still sell you the sequel. Not so much if you don't even know who the author is.
Suggger 12/19/2025||
You are essentially a distributed Fahrenheit 451 node.
1970-01-01 12/19/2025||
This is all very interesting news. From a sales standpoint, they're nearly admitting they cannot manage DRM properly and at Amazon scale. From a copyright standpoint, antipiracy will be extremely hard to enforce. The only middle ground is targeting honest buyers, and we all know how well that works. We should not expect this to be a permanent change. Perhaps it will be more of a very short, DRM-free golden age until another Amazon executive comes down and ends this experiment.
wrxd 12/19/2025|
This is not about making all books DRM-free. It's about allowing downloads for the ones that are already DRM-free, if the publishers opt-in
1970-01-01 12/19/2025||
Thanks, I missed the key detail!
Bridged7756 12/20/2025||
I have a kindle. And it's really good, I've never read as much. Ive never bought a single thing from its store, only sideloaded though. And seeing the recent events im more worried about Amazon pulling the plug on side loading stuff. Turns out it's not that complicated to jailbreak your kindle though, so that's what I'm doing this weekend.
Flimm 12/19/2025|
Can anyone find even one DRM-free ebook on Amazon Kindle?
metaphor 12/19/2025||
I've noticed a lot in the SFF genre, including my current fiction read: Joe Abercrombie's latest release The Devils[1].

You'll see something like the following on the bottom of book details:

> At the Publisher's request, this title is being sold without Digital Rights Management Software (DRM) applied.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D3CB76TV

criddell 12/19/2025|||
All Tor books (the publisher, not the privacy tool) are DRM free.
NetMageSCW 12/19/2025||
There are thousands.
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