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Posted by handfuloflight 3 days ago

Charles Proxy(www.charlesproxy.com)
328 points | 119 comments
logicuce 3 days ago|
I feel obliged to mention Fiddler. The tool I loved almost 20 years back and felt like it came from future. IIRC it was/is more powerful than Charles. Fiddler was Windows only but at one time they had builds for other platforms in works. Sadly they got acquired which changed their roadmap, and I had also moved on from Windows.

https://www.telerik.com/fiddler

_blackhawk_ 3 days ago|
This. I tell people tales of that beautiful tool. have you found anything for a MacOS? My hunt so far has been futile.
dsincl12 3 days ago|||
https://proxyman.com/
logicuce 3 days ago||||
For macOS settled on Charles back then but not as capable as Fiddler.
sumedh 2 days ago||||
Proxyman is great.
mytydev 3 days ago|||
The fiddler landing page says it runs on Windows, macOS, and Linux, so maybe give it another try.
logicuce 2 days ago||
The original thing is now called Fiddler Classic and it is still Windows only. Not maintained anymore, sadly. It has first class scripting support.
leptons 2 days ago||
I still use Fiddler Classic, at least once a week when I need to dig-in on a problem. It occasionally gets an update though I can't remember the last time it did.

It's so powerful, especially with the JScript scripting language. Such a powerful tool.

cientifico 3 days ago||
One hidden gem.

The closest free alternative is https://www.mitmproxy.org/ that is not even close.

And off course, https://www.wireshark.org/ but that is too generic and with a bigger learning curve.

Worth the money. And no subscription (or there weren't a subscription back then)

acheong08 3 days ago||
I built a bad clone of Charles Proxy over the summer as part of another project (iOS VPN -> mitm with custom root certificate -> logging). It's surprisingly simple. It basically goes App -> Packet tunnel -> SOCKS -> a child process (I used https://github.com/AdguardTeam/gomitmproxy) to handle the sniffing and reencryption.

Did post the source somewhere at some point but my git server got corrupted and I haven't gone and fixed it. https://github.com/acheong08/apple-corelocation-experiments/...

I wonder if AI is good enough to vibe code my horrible hacks into a full clone of Charles Proxy these days.

Annoying fact: Apple requires you to have a paid developer account to access the Packet Tunnel APIs. You can't even test it in XCode simulator because of how networking works in there. It's insane that I can't even develop for my own phone without paying an extra fee to Apple. The error message when you sideload without a paid account doesn't make it obvious at all and it took me a good day or two before realizing .

le-mark 3 days ago|||
> It's insane that I can't even develop for my own phone without paying an extra fee to Apple.

A Linux phone can’t come fast enough. Yes there is at least one, on ancient hardware. IMO a viable Linux phone requires hardware at most one generation old.

well_ackshually 3 days ago||
That Linux phone is called Android. It runs plenty fine enough even without GApps (or with shims like microg), and the sheer amount of engineering needed to make baseline linux even usable as a phone system is over a dozen years away.

Android with binder is a strictly superior architecture that anything else that has come for strict isolation. As a bonus, it's battle tested, and latest Android phones just... run linux. You can have a shell and GTK if you so desire.

balnaphone 3 days ago||
When you say "just... run linux", are you referring to termux, or something else ? How do you run a linux userspace in Android ?
well_ackshually 3 days ago||
I mean a fully fledged regular debian

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/bringing-desktop-linux-...

https://source.android.com/docs/whatsnew/android-16-release#...

While this is mostly a KVM setup, there's nothing specific about Android that prevents a linux userspace from running in there. Each app is almost one already. Most of its core components have been integrated into linux's main repository (like binder), and AOSP isn't that far off from a regular Linux. Sure, zygote, user & power management are not exactly a standard install, but they're not that crazy either

rendaw 2 days ago|||
Okay, so suppose I want a linux and not an android phone, so I get an android phone, disable login password etc, and delete everything except "Linux Terminal" and put my linux there.

What sort of tradeoffs would I see? Performance? Battery life? Security (secure enclave access?)

le-mark 3 days ago|||
That’s all very convincing. For users who just want a Linux phone? Not there yet. Android or not.
well_ackshually 2 days ago||
Aside from a misplaced obstination to have _Linux_ as the base for your phone with all the awful power management, high energy use, bad governors, terrible process isolation and fleeing security holes everywhere in a phone that most of the times contains access to your entire life, what does Linux give you that Android doesn't? Both are FOSS.
aeonik 3 days ago||||
I do a lot of work in similar areas here.

While vibe coding will get you something that potentially works, I've noticed LLMs are really bad at cleanly abstracting across multiple layers in this area. They usually will insist on parsing and serializing every field at every layer.

If you have the protocols/interfaces well defined up front it is very fast at building extensions, analytics or visualizations though.

wwweston 3 days ago||
> I've noticed LLMs are really bad at cleanly abstracting across multiple layers

Which makes sense, as most developers are too (it’s a particular non-trivial skill and rarely modeled wrll), so LLMs are more likely to be trained on muddled multiple layers.

jeroenhd 3 days ago|||
mitmproxy/mitmweb offer a WireGuard server implementation to do pretty much this. You can grab any existing WireGuard VPN, scan a QR code to import the VPN config, and start monitoring (after installing the MITM certificate, of course).

The packet tunnel story is crazy. I'm glad Android allows you to just use network APIs without question as a developer.

acheong08 2 days ago||
That's what I usually use. The packet tunnel method is used if you want everything to be fully local. My plan was to make an app that can locally spoof your location on iOS without a third party able to MITM.
chrisweekly 3 days ago|||
I had excellent experiences w mitmproxy (and mitmdump) in 2016-17. At that point it was powerful and easily scriptable, making it far superior to charles for my purposes.
_dark_matter_ 3 days ago||
Agreed, I used to have a bunch of mitm commands in my bashrc to easily intercept https messages
ricardo81 3 days ago|||
I'd used mitmproxy to reverse engineer browser extensions and mobile apps and it did the trick. It was quite some time ago.
efortis 3 days ago|||
Burp is free too (community edition)

https://portswigger.net/burp/communitydownload

OptionOfT 3 days ago|||
What I really like about mitmproxy is that it runs on my server with a certificate I trusted on my phone.

I then flip on WireGuard on my phone, pointed to mitmproxy, and seamlessly all traffic from my phone is decrypted and viewable through the website on my computer.

Except of-course all the applications these days that do certificate pinning, which is annoying, but for that we have Frida.

Fnoord 3 days ago|||
mitmproxy isn't the gold standard; it is Burp Suite, sadly.

Burp Suite uses a subscription model. Charles a model like Sublime Text: you buy it and get to keep the version forever, major upgrades available for a discount.

I had to chuckle at this one:

> If you purchased a Charles license prior to 1 May 2008 your existing license key is still valid for Charles 5.

So I guess in past they used a model where you'd have lifetime upgrades.

Which also made me think: I recognize this name! This has to be an older piece of software. Was it published on Freshmeat in the start of this century?

There's also some TUI for Wireshark, such as frontends for tshark. I think [1] looks interesting, since it can be used with a local LLM (via Ollama).

[1] https://github.com/kspviswa/pktai

29athrowaway 2 days ago|||
- mitmproxy (the Docker version is really easy to set up)

- Burp Proxy

- Wireshark, tshark

jeroenhd 3 days ago|||
mitmproxy supports quite a few features that Charles doesn't and vice versa. You could use them as alternatives for basic browser traffic analysis (where they're both fine), but their features and capabilities cover different areas. Charles is user friendly and robust, mitmproxy has advanced scripting capabilities with a decent amount of community examples available. They complement each other.
dns_snek 3 days ago|||
Wireshark is extremely powerful and useful but it lives in a completely different category of tools. It's not a proxy so it can't modify traffic or inspect HTTPS [1], it's used to passively capture and analyze general network traffic and troubleshoot networking issues.

[1] without an elaborate setup, your program needs to be instructed to dump TLS encryption keys for Wireshark to read

rnewme 3 days ago|||
What about ZAP? https://www.zaproxy.org/
punnerud 3 days ago|||
I was a daily user of mitmproxy, until they changed all they keybindings around version 2. Tried a couple of times to get used to the new “TMUX” style, but switched to Charles Proxy.

Have mitmproxy gotten any better in usability over the years?

Just based on the images, is seems to have the same problems?

NicolaiS 3 days ago|||
> Have mitmproxy gotten any better in usability over the years?

The new-ish "Local Capture" and "WireGuard"-mode are quite nice.

And running e.g. `mitmproxy --ignore-hosts '.*' --show-ignored-hosts` [1] for monitoring apps with certificate pinning also a new feature

[1] cmd will turn mitmproxy into a "non-MITM proxy" but do show domains (SNI) the app is connecting to.

jeroenhd 3 days ago|||
I generally prefer mitmweb, the web frontend for mitmproxy. I don't have much of a problem with their tmux-like UI, but I find mitmweb a lot easier to use than the keyboard shortcut based terminal navigation.
punnerud 39 minutes ago||
Same experience. The V1 and V2 was simple to use to clear, start capture, navigate etc. Everything felt broken after the switch, for the trade off to get more features?

Maybe I should do a fork and try to fix it again

leptons 2 days ago|||
Fiddler is superior to Charles and always has been.

https://www.telerik.com/fiddler

crossroadsguy 2 days ago||
Did you just call Charles Proxy a "hidden" gem? :)
runtimepanic 3 days ago||
Burp Suite can do much of this as well, but the intent feels different. Charles is very much about observing and understanding raw HTTP(S) traffic with minimal friction, which makes it handy for quick debugging, mobile app inspection, or client-side issues. Burp leans heavily into security workflows: interception, replay, automation, and attack surface exploration. That power comes with more setup and a more opinionated UI. I’ve found Charles useful when I want visibility without switching into “pentest mode,” whereas Burp shines when security analysis is the goal.
Sytten 3 days ago||
You can also check out Caido as an alternative, we are a newer player in the space but catching up very fast. Most of the Burp new features of the last 2 years are basically copying what we innovated in Caido.
runtimepanic 3 days ago||
That’s fair. I mostly stick with Burp because I’m very familiar with its workflows and tooling, and that familiarity matters a lot in day-to-day work. That said, I genuinely appreciate having credible competitors to Burp. New tools entering the space tend to challenge long-standing assumptions, especially around UX and ergonomics, and that pressure usually benefits everyone. Even if I don’t switch immediately, competition is healthy and often the reason established tools keep improving.
lillesvin 3 days ago|||
Just to mention an alternative option, ZAP (aka. Zed Attack Proxy) covers much of the same ground as Burp and is entirely free and Open Source.
dns_snek 3 days ago||
On paper ZAP has all of the features I care about, but I gave it my best try and found it really unintuitive to use.
hashstring 2 days ago||
Exactly, usually for my UC, Burp is enough. Even the Community Edition works great.
hboon 3 days ago||
I don't have elaborate needs and have used Charles for many years. A few years ago I switched to https://proxyman.com and found it easier to use.
shubhamjain 3 days ago||
Proxyman is 100x value for 2x the price. I am not even kidding. Native UI, shortcuts, cert installation helper tools. And script editor to programmatically edit requests is so much better and powerful than Charles' request editor.
tricker5453 3 days ago||
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aaronbrethorst 3 days ago|||
Likewise. I was a dedicated user of Charles for about a decade. It’s great, but if you are a macOS user, Proxyman is better, easier, and more macOS friendly.
shelled 3 days ago|||
At a previous workplace, Charles Proxy was not in the list of approved software. I don't recall the reason - it might have been cost, but we used lots of paid tools, and since it was in the restricted category, we couldn't pick and use (we handled a copious amount of Western PII, from reading, working on it, to storing it). Two were approved: Requestly and another was a link to an internal wiki with a really "interesting" process involving Wireshark and whatnot. Needless to say, that doc was one of the most clicked and least read. I tried Charles at a later place that offered a license, and I went back to Requestly, which I really found to be more straightforward or simpler to use.
leptons 2 days ago|||
"approved use" is usually just someone that doesn't understand what the software does.

I recently had the IT team at my work ban VNC client, they didn't understand it wasn't VNC server, which I could understand being a security risk, but the client? They're idiots.

SoKamil 3 days ago|||
It is the same thing though?

Charles is a http proxy, Requestly judging by the landing page is a http client like Postman.

shelled 3 days ago||
While as a mobile dev most of my usage were limited to api client kinda usage I did use it for debugging traffic and hence its intercepting features. Haven’t checked their landing page or the tool itself in a long time (or any coding for that matter) so not sure.
mavamaarten 3 days ago|||
If the devs behind Charles would just tweak their UI a bit, it would be the absolute perfect tool. Functionally it pretty much already is. Mainly being able to turn on and off and configuring features I use all the time (rewrite, map local, map remote) is always a journey through menu's that don't always make sense. The only functional thing I'm missing is some DNS stuff (e.g. throttling or breaking DNS specifically).

I tried using proxyman for a while, and while definitely powerful and more modern, it honestly didn't feel "better" or more powerful so I didn't go for yet another license.

gokaygurcan 3 days ago|||
I frequently use them both. The main reason why I can't leave Charles is the lack of session grouping in Proxyman. Seeing a huge list of irrelevant items is annoying after some point. In Charles, I can save that session with a name and move on to something else. It's almost impossible to leave one for the other at this point for me.

This goes without saying, but huge thanks to the both developers for making these available.

mkw5053 3 days ago|||
Same. At some point there was a new Charles version and I could not figure out how to use it the way I had used the old version (I admit I forget exactly what I was trying to do), and it was trivial in Proxyman. Proxyman also has a great app.
ChrisMarshallNY 3 days ago|||
Pretty nice.

Does it work for Xcode simulators?

I use Charles extensively (I am using it for the development I’m doing right now), and it needs to work on simulators.

Cost isn’t an issue for me. Fitness to purpose is important. I won’t cripple my development capacity, in order to save $50.

itsn0tm3 3 days ago|||
It makes working with Xcode simulators even easier by having a dedicated UI workflow to install the proxy certificates and restart the sim. I used to face issues from time to time doing this with Charles having to restart my machine at times and not getting the certificates to work. Proxyman makes this way nicer to work with and since switching I never faced certificate issues again.

Not trying to do an ad, but really glad I don‘t have to think about that anymore :)

jshier 3 days ago||||
Yes, Proxyman has great sim integration, including the ability to filter by apps within the sim. It's a far better macOS app than Charles, and I've never found it to be lacking a feature I used in Charles.
ChrisMarshallNY 3 days ago||
Cool. I appreciate the tip. I’ll give it a go.

Thanks!

OptionalDonuts 3 days ago||||
When I was still working with iOS, all of us on the team switched to Proxyman and found it much better than Charles. Developer experience wise that is (features, ui/ux, etc.) We ran into some issues with Charles and found Proxyman as the alternative. Don't remember the issues but we never looked back.
hboon 3 days ago||||
It does. I find the UI better and setting it up easier too
ghxst 3 days ago|||
I went from charles to mitmproxy to proxyman and am currently using Reqable. Something all of these miss imo is a way to modify TLS handshakes.
VoidWhisperer 3 days ago|||
Is anyone else having trouble loading the proxyman website? (Firefox, Windows 11) - it freezes the entire browser..
w4yai 3 days ago||
Check your browser extensions
sgt 3 days ago|||
Looks much better, thanks for that tip
cientifico 3 days ago||
That it's an osx ONLY app.
lnx01 3 days ago||
MacOS, iOS, Windows, and Linux
distances 3 days ago||
I was going to comment on the Mac exclusivity too which might be a bad idea now that Linux is on the rise. But you're right, there's a Linux beta too now. Thanks for the pointer.
akaitea 3 days ago||
For my rather simple needs I've been using https://httptoolkit.com free edition, I like that it launches a independent Firefox window on its own for the intercepting so I don't have to touch my working browser or deal with configuring a proxy anywhere
obventio56 3 days ago||
Wait why is this on the front page? I thought this is a very established and well-known tool
everlier 3 days ago||
I am also confused, I can't see any recent news/updates for this project either.
geerlingguy 3 days ago||
From time to time, an "old" things reappears, since there's always a number of people who haven't heard of it (or just like upvoting things they like, I guess).

Obligatory Ten Thousand reference: https://xkcd.com/1053/

benhurmarcel 2 days ago||
Well I never heard of it before so I appreciate it
self_awareness 3 days ago||
This one is truly a gem:

https://httptoolkit.com

It even bypasses SSL pinning on Android using 1 click.

followben 3 days ago||
Wow. Charles was indispensable tool for working with HTTP apis back when I got started as an iOS dev in 2011. Great to see it still going strong.
aua 3 days ago||
I found Charles Proxy last year and it's fantastic. They have a mobile app too (if you need the ssl proxying for mobile apps).
thunderbong 3 days ago|
Didn't know about that.

https://www.charlesproxy.com/documentation/ios/

DrBenCarson 3 days ago|
Alltime great software

I’m on proxyman https://proxyman.com/

jibcage 3 days ago|
I used Charles for a while and also jumped on the Proxyman bandwagon. It’s a slick tool and even works for remote debugging (i.e., an iPhone attached to your computer with a cable).
tricker5453 3 days ago||
Proxygen (https://proxygen.app) has this super cool way to pair its iPhone app with the Mac app, and then remotely inspect traffic from iPhone apps on the Mac. You do the pairing once and then just beam traffic over. Attaching cables feels pretty ancient compared to this.
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