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Posted by ybceo 3 days ago

Privacy doesn't mean anything anymore, anonymity does(servury.com)
452 points | 290 commentspage 5
bilsbie 3 days ago|
I’m fine with no account recovery but they would definitely need a major warning about that at sign up time so users can take extra care to save their info.
Prunkton 3 days ago||
What I was wondering after reading the article: How does Mulvad actually decouple banking data from the account ID? Or is it as simple as verify transaction once but never log?
stanislavb 3 days ago||
I think they remove the invoice after a month. You can also, send them cash in an envelope
komali2 3 days ago||
So there's no subscription thing going on, you just manually pay invoices?

I once spent an entire year issuing chargebacks on AWS charges coming from god knows what AWS account. Most likely some client project I forgot about and didn't have the login to anymore, who knows. Makes me think about that - for a service where you can't login if you lose the credentials, how do you cancel a subscription? In my case I had to eventually just cancel the credit card and get a new number.

deafpolygon 3 days ago||
No subscription. It’s pay as you go. You top up $X and you get X months. That’s it. If your month expires, it expires. Just top off and you’re good to go.
pxc 3 days ago||
You can pay with an envelope of cash, so they don't need your banking data to begin with.
hilbert42 3 days ago||
Perhaps so, but that's damn difficult or very risky for all but a very select few.
pxc 3 days ago||
Because you can't mail cash? Or it won't be delivered without a return address
bitbasher 3 days ago||
It's a bit ironic the page is protected by Cloudflare. So, all of our traffic is going through some other company to log and track before it gets to you, eh?
armchairhacker 3 days ago||
tl;dr “Privacy” = the data is private i.e. only on your devices. Or if the raw data is public but encrypted and the key is private, I think that qualifies.

“Anonymity” = the data is public but not linked to its owner’s identity.

If you’re sharing your data with a website (e.g. storing it unencrypted), but they promise not to leak it, the data is only “private” between you and them…which doesn’t mean much, because they may not (and sometimes cannot) keep that promise. But if the website doesn’t attribute the data except to a randomly-generated identifier (or e.g. RSA public key), the data is anonymous. That’s the article.

Although a server does provide real privacy if it stores user data encrypted and doesn’t store the key, and you can verify this if you have the client’s unobfuscated source.

Also note that anonymity is less secure than privacy because the information provides clues to the owner. e.g. if it’s a detailed report on a niche topic with a specific bias and one person is known to be super interested in that topic with that bias, or if it contains parts of the owner’s PII. But it’s much better than nothing.

guuger 3 days ago||
Europe is currently being tormented by this exact contradiction: on one hand, it has the GDPR—the world's strictest privacy law, supposedly protecting personal data; on the other, a flood of new regulations under the banners of "child safety," "counter-terrorism," and "anti-money laundering" are systematically strangling real anonymity.
dtj1123 3 days ago||
The onion link for the site appears to be broken.
p4bl0 3 days ago||
The very premise is false, privacy does mean something, and anonymity doesn't really exists. This is an advertisement.
politelemon 3 days ago|
I agree, privacy still means a lot. It's a term that's been co-opted by the large tech companies which operate with impunity. It will has meaning that cannot change.

The post also misunderstands privacy

> Privacy is when they promise to protect your data.

Privacy is about you controlling your data. Promises are simply social contracts.

BloondAndDoom 3 days ago||
I don’t know what’s wrong with these comments. This is the kind of smart design we want to see and everyone is doing nitpicking.

Can we have just better things or are we going to reject everything that’s not perfect and by doing so concede the whole point and just give up?

Well done OP for the right approach and your business. This has always been my design (when possible) to approach data security. When you don’t have data you don’t have to worry about its security.

Best of luck, ignore the naysayers.

bobbyschmidd 3 days ago||
it's 2025. chances are you had peeps in class/uni who are now in the Stasi networks of informants and/or in some more or less obscure agency or more or less related private company so your anonymity only works from birth and even then only if you are lucky or your family "gets it" and has resources and brains beyond.

some people believe supply chain attacks are rare and hard to pull off and expensive and only valuable in extreme cases but if you ever worked at a local delivery service or pharmacy or something other where people and the necessary machines are being aggregated in some basements or even backrooms for all use cases from all times for wholesale forgery and fiddling with people, you know that the situation is ugly, not bad. throw in the many coders, network engineers and hardware specialists with ties to above entities and bombaclat, Jahmunkey, we fucked!

#TheEconomicsOfPunchedDrugs #Automation #DataAnalysis #SituationalAssessment #HeyIsThatATurdNuggetAtTheTopOfThatPyramid

photon_garden 3 days ago|
> That's not privacy. That's performance art.

Smells like it was written by an LLM so I stopped reading.

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