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Posted by 1659447091 12/20/2025

Ireland’s Diarmuid Early wins world Microsoft Excel title(www.bbc.com)
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paddy_m 12/20/2025|
I wish more programmers would pay attention to how productive power users in different can be with their tools. Look at CAD competitions. I wonder if there are video editting competitions?
doctorhandshake 12/20/2025||
I used to work as technical director for a touring live graphic design, 3D modeling, and animation tournament. It was kind of like iron chef for designers. They worked live in timed rounds with their screens projected overhead. It was sponsored by Adobe, Autodesk, and Wacom. It was pretty impressive to see how power users did their thing for sure.
bost-ty 12/21/2025||
Hi! Do you remember the name of that competition? Super interested in that.

I've seen your work at Hard Work Party before, by the way! Really cool stuff, glad to see you've also got the startup going as well.

doctorhandshake 12/21/2025||
Thanks! It was called Cut&Paste
lysace 12/20/2025|||
Programming efficiency isn’t about typing/editing fast - it’s about great decision-making. Although I have seen the combo of both working out very well.

If you focus on fast typing/editing skills to level up, but still have bad decision-making skills, you'll just end up burying yourself (and possibly your team) faster and more decisively. (I have seen that, too.)

etbebl 12/20/2025|||
I interpreted the original comment totally differently - I thought they were saying that the programmers [who created these tools] should pay more attention to how productive [or not] power users can be with the tools [that they created]. And use that as an important metric for software quality. Which I definitely agree with.
orlp 12/20/2025|||
The person you replied to stated:

> how productive power users in different [fields] can be with their tools

There are a lot more tools in programming than your text editor. Linters, debuggers, AI assistants, version control, continuous integration, etc.

I personally know I'm terrible at using debuggers. Is this a shortcoming of mine? Probably. But I also feel debuggers could be a lot, lot better than they are right now.

I think for a lot of us reflecting at our workflow and seeing things we do that could be done more efficiently with better (usage of) tooling could pay off.

wildzzz 12/21/2025|||
In high school, I participated in a STEM-based competition. There were a ton of categories like CO2 dragsters (my favorite), architecture, 2D and 3D CAD, GIS, and numerous others I can't remember. Some categories had more of a business focus but most were science/engineering related. The 3D CAD one was pretty fun. I recall two parts. In the first half, you got a hand-drawn sketch of a bushing and had to recreate it in Autodesk Inventor as fast as possible and then generate a 2D drawing properly dimensioned (like what you'd hand to a machinist). The second half involved creating all of the parts for a basic ceiling fan and then making an animated exploded view that also spun the fan. I was really good at that stuff back then but I definitely wasn't the quickest. I'm sure it's a lot different now, so much of CAD now involved CNC and 3D printing that's there's probably aspects that include messing with gcode now.

My GIS competition was fun too. They gave me a bunch of map data and I had to produce a report on Washington DC storm surge flood zones and potential rescue helicopter locations all within a couple hours.

I recall there being a video production category too. I didn't compete in it but you'd be given props and dialogue to turn into a video over the course of a day or two. Very few of the categories were contemporaneous competitions, most were long term project presentations.

colmmacc 12/20/2025|||
The Oscars, The Golden Globes, the Emmys, just a few!
chongli 12/20/2025|||
Although they do have a category for best editing, it's hard to call it an award for "best film editor" when it doesn't control for the overall quality of the film. For example, with the Oscars, it's extremely common (2/3 of the time) for a film that wins best picture to also win best editing.
tshaddox 12/20/2025|||
Perhaps that’s because Best Picture isn’t controlling for the effect that good editing has on the film.
anamexis 12/20/2025|||
I wonder how you could construct a reasonably controlled competition for film editing.
toast0 12/20/2025||
Drop 10 hours of footage to the competitors on day 0, assign judges random groups of completed films on day N.

Maybe let each editor request one reshoot in the first week, a committee aggregates similar requests, all editors get all the reshoots once they're finalized.

Maybe include storyboards and a rubrik for what story the film is supposed to share and how we're meant to feel, but maybe not.

salviati 12/20/2025||||
You never get to see the action there. Just the finished product.
Waterluvian 12/20/2025||
I think this may actually be two different things. Much like how being good at coding doesn’t mean it’s fun to watch you code. Though there are “performance” coders where it really is!
dfxm12 12/21/2025|||
These reward the artistry of the output of the edits, not the productivity of the editors.
DaiPlusPlus 12/20/2025|||
> wonder if there are video editting competitions?

Yes - but they've turned into something I'd really rather not watch: https://www.opus.pro/agent/human-creator-vs-ai

analog31 12/20/2025|||
Or any users for that matter. The familiar "I can't see how anybody can stand to use Excel" is too widespread to be dismissed as a fluke.
dyauspitr 12/20/2025||
There is a head to head CAD guy on Youtube. I wish I could remember his name, I’ll look it up and update this post.
brcmthrowaway 12/21/2025||
A CS grad that ended up in banking/consulting. This was common in my country 10-20 years ago with no FAANGs in the area and Nasdaq hadn't popped off yet. It was the only way to get decent salary and not 40k at a mom and pop IT shop doing network switch configuration.

Doesn't really count in my opinion. I'd rather see finance/business majors stumble upon their version of LeetCode.

jjmarr 12/20/2025||
Does Microsoft gain useful information about product UX from this? Wondering if any Excel PMs watch this and see where micro-optimizations are made.
lysace 12/20/2025|
Excel was completed at least a decade ago (probably two).

This is obviously 99% marketing. Microsoft/Waggener Edstrom tend to be really good at getting mainstream media to report on the marketing activities.

Example: For many Windows launches since Windows 3/95, there's been this media splash where Microsoft spends x million dollars on marketing and mainstream media then reports this, thereby getting (like) 100x millions worth of exposure.

eszed 12/20/2025|||
Excel is not "complete" until they stop forcibly converting long strings of numbers into scientific notation - or at least give me a sheet-specific way to turn it off. I know how to stop it on my machine, but I have shared documents where if any one of the 16+ other users forgets, then it's messed up for everyone.

Let alone the date issues.

At one point I did a deep dive on one or the other of these "quirks", and the earliest request for exactly the fix I want is from nineteen-eighty-fricking-five. Unbelievable.

lysace 12/20/2025||
Yes, there will be edge cases. They need to balance historic compat vs one more fricking setting checkbox. I am thinking that you will never see this solved.
ciupicri 12/21/2025||||
From 2020: "Scientists rename human genes to stop MS Excel from misreading them as dates" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24070385)
lysace 12/21/2025||
Exactly. They couldn't really change it even if they wanted to. The implementation with all of its warts and quirks is now the standard.
jsmith99 12/21/2025||
They've now made a change in that at least when you open a csv it now asks you beforehand if you want your data transformed, eg converting strings to numbers where that loses leading zeros.
mmooss 12/21/2025||||
> Excel was completed at least a decade ago (probably two).

What does that mean? Microsoft stopped developing new features? You think it was feature-complete?

chungy 12/21/2025||
The entire Microsoft Office suite pretty much had every feature that users need by 1997. It's just been UI refreshes ever since.
NetMageSCW 12/21/2025||
Wrong.
NetMageSCW 12/21/2025||||
Excel has had huge changes that made it much more powerful a lot more recently than that.
emeril 12/21/2025|||
def 2 decades - 2023 was the best version and it has been downhill ever since

I'll admit, on occasion having more than 65k rows is helpful but generally that's the domain of a database, not excel and it wasn't a good tradeoff IMO

lysace 12/21/2025||
*2003, probably?
KellyCriterion 12/21/2025||
not OP, but yes - the limit was raised long time ago
d-lisp 12/20/2025||
Looks a bit like vimgolfing [0]

[0] https://www.vimgolf.com/

triclops200 12/20/2025||
I had no idea this was real. Fascinating. I'm curious: anyone plugged into the scene know if it's organic or if it was created as a marketing thing by Microsoft?

Obligatory Krazam sketch: https://youtu.be/xubbVvKbUfY?si=h6QR2gzac48R6kca

sieep 12/20/2025||
From my understanding it wasn't started or ran by Microsoft. They have Microsoft listed as the first sponsor on their main website, for what it's worth.

https://fmworldcup.com/

airstrike 12/20/2025||
Pretty sure it started as a joke and evolved into a real thing. I actually won an Excel spreadsheet in High School quite a long while ago. Makes me wonder if I should try out...
zkmon 12/21/2025||
I envy the programmers of Excel. What a beautiful coding task to work on.
NooneAtAll3 12/20/2025||
Any link to the problems that were being solved?
looshch 12/22/2025||
why is it important to mention where he is from?
scop 12/20/2025|
You know what they say about the Irish and spreadsheets…
esafak 12/20/2025|
If you want to know what God thinks of spreadsheets, just look at the company He let build them.
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