Top
Best
New

Posted by rwoll 12/21/2025

Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing traffic jams(missionlocal.org)
319 points | 456 commentspage 5
SoftTalker 12/21/2025|
"San Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie warned residents to stay off the roads unless they needed to travel."

Sure, I go out and drive around on the roads for no reason all the time. I'll avoid doing that during the crisis.

scoofy 12/22/2025||
The word carrying water here is "need." My partner and I ran an errand in the blackout, we didn't need to do it, but we wanted to. I drove us almost exclusively through an area of the city that had power, but we still ran into issues, including multiple disabled Waymos during that trip. Even in the areas with power, people were driving weirdly. If were able to do it over, I would have stayed home.
cjsplat 12/22/2025|||
So maybe the point was to consider a different store or route.

Or look at the traffic and decide if you REALLY want to spend an hour or more in gridlock for whatever activity you are considering.

And maybe wherever you wanted to go is closed because they don't have power either.

It is a perfectly reasonable request.

The fact that you acknowledge that is was a "crisis" implies pretty strongly that you understand that a priority evaluation might be useful.

guywithahat 12/23/2025||
I don't think this was a street, I think SF just experiences rolling blackouts sometimes (unsure if this is due to their forest fire laws, the city buying the grid, or something else, although it seems silly that it's happening at all)
nerdsniper 12/21/2025|||
I did when I was younger (18-25). Exploring the world outside of my hometown often put me at ease when I was feeling destabilized.
alistairSH 12/21/2025|||
I used to go out in the snow on purpose (DC metro). Mostly have them to myself, it was always fun.
casion 12/21/2025||
Unsure if sarcasm, but lots of people do that. I do it every day.

Some folks enjoy driving.

SoftTalker 12/21/2025||
Yeah it was sarcasm. I enjoy driving also, actually. But I don't just go out and drive for no reason. It's always with a purposeful destination.
NetMageSCW 12/22/2025||
That implies less enjoyment than other activities.
asdff 12/21/2025||
It seems waymo's always fall apart when encountering something that wouldn't be in the training set. Such as a christmas parade:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NOqK8UEuWjs

porphyra 12/21/2025||
I don't understand how these cars keep getting stalled for half an hour or something. Surely there must be a team of teleoperators ready to jump in at any time?
mingus88 12/21/2025||
The power outage probably knocked out the infra those operators needed to control the cars.
fragmede 12/21/2025|||
"the infra" is cell phone data coverage though. Which was probably congested by all the city residents using theirs instead of their wifi which was down. Would be fascinating to see just how much Internet traffic flows changed during the outage.
mingus88 12/21/2025||
In my neighborhood, Xfinity goes out every time we lose power.

Even with my generator and UPS powering my modem, the outage is not resolved until mains power comes back

These monopolies aren’t required to have uptime in the same way the POTS network was.

We had a week long outage last year and people were driving 15 minutes out to get cell signal to catch up on their data

porphyra 12/21/2025|||
True but the comment I replied to mentions a different case where a Waymo got stuck for half an hour at a parade.
patrick451 12/21/2025||
Until AVs can deal with OOD scenarios, they should not be on the road.
Ukv 12/21/2025||
Autonomous vehicles should be on the road iff they reduce overall incidents/deaths. Failure to deal with an out-of-distribution scenario would count against this, but may be rare enough to not significantly affect the average.
throw-12-16 12/22/2025|
My favorite was when people DOS'd waymo by scheduling a bunch of pickups at the end of a long dead end.

SF is pretty brave (stupid?) for allowing itself to be a beta test for self driving.