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Posted by thanedar 12/21/2025

You’re not burnt out, you’re existentially starving(neilthanedar.com)
355 points | 413 commentspage 5
DrPimienta 12/23/2025|
No, actually, I'm burnt out.
jatins 12/22/2025||
Yeah no, that's not it. Not everyone has to chase the highest purpose. A lot of existential dread would go away if: 1/ People had hopes of buying a house in their lifetime 2/ They were not afraid of being let go at any point 3/ Social media did not create a hedonistic treadmill

The whole higher purpose narrative is bs to keep sell more books or courses or whatever author is selling. And what's with random yellow highlights and bold formatting on every second sentence?

blackcat30 12/22/2025||
No,trust me, it is burnout.
dangus 12/22/2025||
Seems like self-help slop with a flawed argument.

This idea of optimizing for less suffering is logical. A boring corporate life is by all accounts sensible.

Is it boring on Monday? Yeah. But not knowing where your next meal is coming from isn’t boring and not in a good way.

And then this site’s message is clouded by the amount it’s trying to push a book. It’s hard to feel like any source like this is doing fact-based work when the main goal is to convince you to buy their stuff.

bpodgursky 12/21/2025||
Maybe unfair, but I can't read a title with this cadence anymore without assuming it's AI.
thanedar 12/21/2025||
Blogging has always required aggressive titles. My best posts for years all used this "you" or "we" focused framing too. Trying to solve people's biggest problems!
hexbin010 12/21/2025|||
You're not being unfair. You're showing wisdom.
krackers 12/21/2025|||
Even before AI, I think I've seen it used before in self-help books or therapy type stuff. It has always felt like an intellectually lazy attempt at reframing, painting things as black and white in the form of a thought-terminating cliche. "It's not X, it's Y" discounts X entirely, when usually the relationship between X & Y is more nuanced: "X and also Y", "X because Y", etc.

Also if you do want to use "it's not X, it's Y" as a clincher, you better make sure that Y in fact builds on X in some way (which implies that X and Y actually have to be similar enough to be plausibly associated with each other) and Y isn't just some orthogonal concept.

llmslave2 12/21/2025|||
It definitely has a lot of signs of AI writing, but at the same time the flow doesn't really scream AI to me.
WXLCKNO 12/21/2025|||
Unfair or not, same thing for me.

Then I'm not even focused on the content more than I'm scanning through it for signs of AI slop writing so I don't have to waste brainpower consuming that which took no brainpower to produce.

Also unfair perhaps but I think writers in particular, like the author of this post, should be aware enough of the patterns of AI written slop to consciously avoid them nowadays.

It doesn't matter if you used to write like this, the reality is people will question you now if you do.

StilesCrisis 12/21/2025||
100%. “It’s not [x]. It’s [y].” is highly overused by ChatGPT in particular. I hope this article isn’t just AI slop, but that’s not a great start.
StarterPro 12/22/2025||
Por que no los dos
greenie_beans 12/23/2025||
this is a book ad. i ain't buying it
dluan 12/21/2025||
This is absolutely going to fall on deaf ears here, but I moved with my wife and 1 year old to China for 4 months and became the most productive in more than a decade.

Safety, convenience, infrastructure, everything around you isn't solely designed to price gouge you and exploit you, and all of that was just a minor benefit. The biggest thing I felt was an immense existential dread lifting from me. It's like the world millennials were promised when we were young actually exists - working on meaningful things with mental space to breath.

There's too much that can possibly be said of this, but up until now I genuinely thought there was only one way left and we were all doomed to fail, trying to pound sand into intractable problems. I somehow have hope in my life again.

johnnyanmac 12/22/2025||
I've thought about moving to Asia. Then I read about the racism there and realize I'd be right back at home, but now with a language barrier to boot. Oh well.

Everything else sounds great, or tolerable at worst. Public transportation, a more respectful culture, actual 3rd places, housing that isn't treated as an asset to preserve.

I'll still get back to my Japanese learning once things stabilize. Just in case.

ManuelKiessling 12/21/2025|||
Mh. Would like to hear the full story. My initial mental reflex is one of „es gibt kein richtiges Leben im falschen“, that is, „there is no right life in the wrong one“, as Adorno put it.
dluan 12/21/2025||
I think it's simpler to just appeal to every entrepreneur's spider sense - go where the great people are. It really does feel a bit like how Silicon Valley and San Francisco felt in 2000s-2010s. Caveat of course, which is even before 2008, aware insiders of SV were trying to warn that the Goodness of the internet was being squeezed too hard, that VC was turning to rent seeking too soon, the cart is way too far ahead of the basic research pipeline, etc. And of course, there's corruptible people, terrible overwork, insane competition, bad stuff etc in China too.

But there's a determined, undeniable sense of "we're going to make the world a better place", and you can physically see and touch it in China. Once you take a big inhale of that air, you realize just how much you missed it and needed it.

mr_world 12/21/2025||
This is literally my first time hearing this. All the stuff I see from china is about lying flat, giving up because no matter how hard you work it won't make a difference? Is this a Shenzhen attitude?
asdff 12/21/2025|||
There is probably something to be said about living someplace that is actually investing in itself. Seeing new development actually rise to meet the demands of the population. Seeing new transit expanded. People uplifted out of rural poverty. New technological developments. The whole bit.

The US probably felt a little like that in the immediate post war period. The enthusiasm coming out of a terrible war and a terrible depression and seeing actual changes take place in the scale of weeks before your eyes must have been something else.

But today, most cities seem to have been content with solidifying into amber over the last 50 or so years. No investments into society. The poor are still poor and objectively have worse opportunities given the buying power of the jobs available to them. Development isn't happening on a scale to actually meet the population's needs. Transit and most public good efforts are an afterthought because of no direct business profitability angle. It becomes hard to get excited about medical advances when you understand the realities of our healthcare system and that many who need these medicines or treatments won't ever get them. No enthusiasm for anything. A large population of people against anything changing. Young people and young ideas stonewalled out of positions of power in favor of people who ought to have retired by now maintaining the status quo. Technological advances seemingly solely focused on establishing new ways to rent seek, gouge, police, control thoughts, versus things that are simply beneficial to others. "no brainer" ideas facing pushback. Common sense not being valued. The optimism coming out of the civil rights era dashed away against the realities that hate towards your fellow human is a position that will carry popularity in this country. Profit above all. Control above all. Blatant corruption and cronyism by the ruling elite. Awareness that we haven't taken off the shackles of feudalism.

dluan 12/21/2025|||
"lying flat" and unemployment are a thing, but nowhere near as bad as media makes it out to be. My experience is mainly in Shanghai and Hangzhou.
alexchantavy 12/22/2025||
Are you still in China? If so how are you finding the work life? Should blog on it esp as a YC alum that’s a cool perspective
tehjoker 12/21/2025||
Kind of a strange pivot to talk about meaning and connect it to capitalism
thanedar 12/22/2025|
Work ≠ capitalism! It's about making your work the most meaningful thing possible! If that's a very pro-social politics, might be exactly what you want!
antman123 12/21/2025|
get married and have kids
GMoromisato 12/21/2025||
I don't think people should have kids because they otherwise lack meaning, but it's absolutely true that kids change you in ways you would never have believed. If you think you might want kids but aren't sure, just do it.
HendrikHensen 12/21/2025|||
> I don't think people should have kids because they otherwise lack meaning

I'm past the age where I can (or rather should have) kids and I have to say, the past decade or so I'm more and more thinking that people SHOULD have kids to have (more) meaning in their life. Put it another way, I've begun thinking that having children is a nice way to have a default baseline of meaning in your life. I really see that with all my friends, who all have kids.

alexey-salmin 12/21/2025|||
> have kids because they otherwise lack meaning

That's how life on earth worked for 3 billion years. I think that assuming humans are somehow above that is unwise. We're not.

johnnyanmac 12/22/2025|||
Not to dismiss child labor laws. But kids until some 100 years ago were useful, free labor to help around the house or even with your business. The financial incentive of having a kid now is an astronomical investment.
GMoromisato 12/21/2025|||
I think, until very recently, people had kids because the sex is good.
thanedar 12/21/2025|||
I'm married with three kids! And that's great! But like I say in the post, I still know I'm capable of making a bigger positive impact on the world, so that's how I focus my political work!
mensetmanusman 12/21/2025|||
This solves it for most, but secular society has lost any structural capability to succeed in this.

Marriage rates have dropped over 70%.

There are extremely thriving sub-communities in places though. Graft on to those.

HendrikHensen 12/21/2025||
> This solves it for most, but secular society has lost any structural capability to succeed in this.

Can you explain how you see a causation between religion and marriage success?

johnnyanmac 12/22/2025|||
Many religions still have pre-arranged marriages. Easy way to solve the issue of having to look attractive in an app.
mensetmanusman 12/21/2025|||
Religion realigns order, people look up in the same direction instead of past each other when contemplating meaning.
johnnyanmac 12/22/2025|||
Cool, lemme just pitch on Tinder "30 and am between jobs, need happiness". Problem solved!
belval 12/21/2025||
It's interesting that you get downvoted for what is, from a historical perspective, a very down-to-earth reasonable take.

I don't have kids but I am at the age where more and more of my friends are having kids, there definitely does seem to be something there. They are exhausted but most definitely have a renewed spark of sorts.

Unfortunately this is difficult to A/B test. So I'd avoid having kids to fix burn out.

WXLCKNO 12/21/2025||
I mean marriage is a global concept but it feels like the US makes a huge deal about it.

Like two people can't be together without being married.

But mostly it's a low effort low with quality comment that adds zero value and implicitly passes judgment on those who are not married and don't have kids.

As if married people with kids are the happiest people in the world lol.

belval 12/21/2025|||
> I mean marriage is a global concept but it feels like the US makes a huge deal about it.

I should have made that part clearer but my comment was solely on the kids part of their statement. I don't think marriage is inherently different from any other long-term partnership when it comes "existentially starving".

> As if married people with kids are the happiest people in the world lol.

That's not what I meant at all. The article is about how burnout is a catchall that hides that at our core we actually struggle for meaning. "When facing the existential vacuum, there's only one way out - up, towards your highest purpose". Children do in a lot of way give meaning to your life, suddenly you have a reason for suffering. It's a hell of a stretch to call that happiness, but it's definitely something.

nephihaha 12/21/2025|||
Kids with two parents are far less likely to get into crime and have mental health problems, so there is that.

(Before anyone gets onto me I lived in a single parent household for years.)

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