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Posted by giuliomagnifico 23 hours ago

The biggest CRT ever made: Sony's PVM-4300(dfarq.homeip.net)
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dustractor 21 hours ago|
My gamer friend found a 23-inch CRT monitor on ebay and the box it showed up in was large enough to ship a washing machine. I can't imagine what it would be like for a 43-inch TV.
bitwize 18 hours ago|
I have a 43-inch LCD monitor and even that's unwieldy (but still manageable by one man). A 43-inch CRT is the kind if equipment whose weight, bulk, and power draw warrant a brown M&Ms clause in a band's performance contract.
TechSquidTV 22 hours ago||
I remember when the video came out. What, 2-3 years ago? What an event.
telotortium 22 hours ago||
One year ago today
loloquwowndueo 22 hours ago||
TFA immediately slammed me with an intrusive cookie banner so I didn’t read it, here’s another option about this TV : https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/12/retro-gamers-save-one... at least ars technica didn’t cookie-gate me from the get go.
0_____0 21 hours ago|
Not cookie gated for me. You can easily read the content without interacting with the cookie dialog.
rendx 13 hours ago||
In the video, the guy is looking for some official contact at SONY to authorize an interview with a long-term SONY CRT designer and employee who already agreed to give it but can't do without official approval. Public channels all yielded no response.

Leaving this here just in case! :)

api 21 hours ago||
My lord... this thing probably requires the power grid to do a generation dispatch when you turn it on.

When I was a kid I lived down in Southeastern Kentucky (Somerset) which gets a lot of its power from the local lake via hydro. My grandfather had this large (not this big but big) tube TV, the old wooden case kind. When you turned it on it'd take about ten seconds in which you could hear tube heaters tinkling, followed by a "grrrnnnnnzzzzz" sound as the tube came to life. I remember my uncle joking that the lake level started visibly falling.

Between LCDs/etc. and LED lighting, the amount of efficiency improvement we've done in home electronics is wild. I can now put my hand right on an equivalent to 100W light output light bulb and it's just... warm.

qingcharles 19 hours ago|
I had the 36" widescreen and I don't remember any issue with the power requirements, but I just calculated the screen area difference. The 43" 4:3 is 60% more area and the 45" 4:3 is 75% more area, so they are vastly bigger screens.
mitchell_h 21 hours ago||
way back when, I had a 32" CRT from SGI attached to an o2. So heavy I had to buy a special desk to hold it. I can't imagine carrying that PVM-4300 anywhere.
lizknope 18 hours ago||
I had a 36" 4:3 Toshiba CRT that had component video inputs for 1080i signals. If you displayed a 16:9 aspect ratio signal you could turn on a mode to change the display area to make the electron beam display all 1080 lines in that area so the other system didn't need to add black bars. This way you got the full 1080i resolution in a 4:3 TV

I used to go to a local high end home theater store and they had the Sony 40" XBR TV that weighed 300 pounds or something crazy.

eduction 21 hours ago||
> In Japan, it sold for 2.6 million yen, but in the United States, it retailed for $40,000, a significant markup. To be fair, shipping them across the Atlantic and then throughout the United States must have been expensive.

If they were going all the long way around to the Atlantic that would indeed explain the markup. Not sure why they would though.

B1FF_PSUVM 9 hours ago|
Also ...

> And news articles in 1990 said Sony dealers would not allow any bickering. [...] no discounts.

... that's probably "dickering", and an amusing typo. ("Hey, you can't squabble here!")

deadbabe 22 hours ago||
Is it true we just don’t really have the technology anymore to build a CRT? We’ll never see a new CRT ever again, unless it’s the passion project of some billionaire?
ssl-3 20 hours ago||
Industrially, it's very nearly a completely lost tech.

Last I heard the only new-production of electron guns for CRTs was one singular source in Russia, but that was before the war started.

Even preservation of already-manufactured CRTs is difficult.

The last CRT rebuilder in France closed years ago. Some folks purchased some of the equipment and tried to get it set up at the Vintage Television Museum in Columbus, Ohio, but ultimately failed. It's in the care of a dude in Maryland now but is not in production status.

AFAICT, the singular remaining entity presently capable of working on existing picture tubes is Colorvac, in Germany: https://colorvac.de/service/

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In the unlikely event that new CRT production ever ramps up again, it will be a lot like the reboot of Polaroid film was: So much institutional knowledge will have simply evaporated that even though the new product works, it will never work exactly the same as it once did.

jsheard 19 hours ago|||
Thomas Electronics in the US supposedly still makes and repairs CRTs for military and aerospace, but those will be much smaller than you'd want for a TV or monitor and often if not always monochrome. Even if they did make big colour tubes they wouldn't give mere mortals the time of day anyway, they're in it for the big money contracts.

https://www.thomaselectronics.com

ssl-3 18 hours ago||
Thanks.

I think I may have already known that at one point, but I'll try to include this the next time I am motivated to brain-dump some CRT lore.

deadbabe 10 hours ago|||
Given the lifespan of CRTs and no hope of repairs, when should the last CRTs be expected to die forever?
alnwlsn 22 hours ago|||
Not true, you can make one yourself by hand if you want to, it just won't be very high quality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PzoAReMXOE

If you want a good one, you'll need the materials, machines and skills to make good ones. Probably not too likely unless you like building factories for fun and no profit.

mikepurvis 22 hours ago|||
I think it’s more that the production lines that existed to build them in volume have all been long dismantled, so it would be prohibitively expensive and all the people involved would be doing it for the first time.
jsheard 21 hours ago||
And even if you found the money to resurrect the production lines, modern regulations probably wouldn't look too kindly on making new consumer goods with several pounds of lead in each unit. Better set aside your morals and enough money to buy some politicians while you're at it.
numpad0 20 hours ago||
The tubes start generating X-rays above 5kV or whatever(some docs say 15kV), and you need leaded(literally Pb melted in) glass for the screen to block it, unless you could find a substitute material(Sn nanoparticles or something) or you're fine with <5kV brightness for the tube whatever that amounts to. So you can't pitch it as a nicely eco friendly product, and the glass can't be easily recycled(Pb removed from glass).

Otherwise they're not THAT complicated. They're a lot like lightbulbs. Certainly not as exotic as LCDs.

belter 18 hours ago|
2 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40754471
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