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Posted by transpute 12/27/2025

QNX Self-Hosted Developer Desktop(devblog.qnx.com)
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noAnswer 12/27/2025|
"Hey! I’ve seen this one, this is a classic!" <Marty McFly pointing at screen>

QNX will shift focus in a year or two.

supermatt 12/27/2025||
If you want to fall for the QNX bait and switch a 3rd time, more fool you.
samiv 12/27/2025||
Can you elaborate on this?
roryirvine 12/27/2025||
They've moved back and forth between being partially source-available and fully closed source at least twice. It's a similar story with usage licenses, with hobbyist and non-commercial access variously being granted and then pulled away multiple times.

On at least one occasion, the license was changed overnight leaving a large enthusiast community in the lurch.

Given the history, there's every reason to suspect that there'll be yet more rug-pulls in the future.

noAnswer 12/27/2025||
They also had a desktop version you could install at home before.
qznc 12/27/2025||
They don't promise anything "Open Source" here.
supermatt 12/27/2025||
The bait and switch was around the “free” license for non-commercial use. They got lots of people using it and porting software to it, and then they revoked that free license.

Then they did exactly the same thing again a few years later.

And now, for the 3rd time, they are offering a “free” non-commercial license.

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lukeh 12/27/2025||
Oddly Swift appears to support QNX but there’s not much information about it.

https://github.com/swiftlang/swift-testing/issues/868

harhargange 12/27/2025|
Does this mean QNX supports at least some of the Apple software?
f1shy 12/27/2025|||
Not at all. Swift is just a programming language.
lukeh 12/27/2025|||
Hard to say. May be related to CarPlay.
LargoLasskhyfv 12/27/2025||
We'll see if it reaches bare metal some time, instead of relying on QEMU(on Ubuntu).

In theory I'd be tempted to try, in practice not, because of all the back and forth between changing owners in the past, and resulting policies regarding availability.

I'm also very well served by some 'gaming distro', where nothing ever stutters or lags, on almost obsolete hardware, mostly clocked down to 800Mhz, with uptimes of up to 150 days. More isn't really useful anyways, because of updates.

But hey, Wayland! On QNX! With XFCE on top of that! Who would have thought?

What about photonic Plasma instead of some Generic ToolKit?

yjftsjthsd-h 12/27/2025||
> We'll see if it reaches bare metal some time, instead of relying on QEMU(on Ubuntu).

They do list "A native Desktop image on Raspberry Pi" under What's Next, so hopefully soon:)

> In theory I'd be tempted to try, in practice not, because of all the back and forth between changing owners in the past, and resulting policies regarding availability.

Yeah, that gives me pause too. There was some noise earlier about open sourcing it; I do wish they'd actually do that.

bregma 12/27/2025|||
> We'll see if it reaches bare metal some time, instead of relying on QEMU

You can already get a free license for QNX and grab a BSP (board support package) to create a bare metal image. You have been able to for quite a while. People who understand how a computer works, what a device driver is and how and when to use one, are not the target for this demo. It's targeted at the people who think the user interface is the software and the desktop GUI is the operating system.

LargoLasskhyfv 12/27/2025||
Yah, I know that. But the licensing swings aside, I've just thought 'are you on crack?' because of the Eclipse on Windows cross- compiling thing, which they've done when I last looked.

And stopped.

wmf 12/27/2025|||
QNX is running on bare metal in a lot of cars.
cbsks 12/27/2025|||
It’s also running virtualized in a lot of cars! Although I’ve seen more and more US car companies switching from QNX to Linux. Chinese car companies I’ve worked with all use Linux instead of QNX, so perhaps that is the future.
m132 12/27/2025|||
Out of curiosity, do you mean Linux on bare metal, or Linux on top of QVM?

The latter is actually a common setup, used by Mercedes-Benz and Hangsheng if I'm not mistaken.

cbsks 12/27/2025||
Linux on top of a hypervisor. There are several companies providing hypervisors, including the one I work at, so my experience is biased.
xvilka 12/27/2025||||
Linux now supports real time too, even mainline. And there are open source RTOSes for smaller chips and critical applications like FreeRTOS.
jacquesm 12/27/2025|||
QnX is expensive for commercial use, that's most likely the driver for this.
speed_spread 12/27/2025|||
Bare metal! So, if you just give it enough time, it will run on Rust?
xvilka 12/27/2025||
Only if it's exposed to elements. Meanwhile Rust already works on QNX[1][2].

[1] https://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/8.0/com.qnx.doc.neutrino...

[2] https://doc.rust-lang.org/rustc/platform-support/nto-qnx.htm...

m132 12/27/2025|||
QT is supported too, and actually upstream!

https://hackaday.com/2017/05/03/your-next-desktop-qnx/

Granted, this is not the full Plasma shell, but you can run a lot of KDE software on it just fine.

JohnAtQNX 12/27/2025|||
Bare metal is on the short-term roadmap!
fud101 12/27/2025|||
which 'gaming' distro is that out of curiousity?
LargoLasskhyfv 12/27/2025||
CachyOS.

Running on Core i5 7500t and Core i7 7700t with integrated intel HD630 graphics on Lenovo M910q tiny with 32GB RAM. Mostly clocked down to 800Mhz. Chosen path: systemd-boot, Btrfs, ZRAM, Plasma/KDE.

Edit:

I'm also not gaming btw, just heavy browser use, and some LibreOffice. So if you expect to get insane FPS in 4K(on old systems!), that probably wouldn't work. What does work is having (a heavily customized) FF working with uBo with usually 4 FF-windows open, and each of them at least several dozen tabs, almost always one of them playing some music from YT without a hitch. Doing other stuff on other virtual desktops (I run 3 by 3). 4K videos with mpv no problem. With VLC neither, but I deinstalled that because I don't need so much UI and features. Matter of taste. Shrug. Remoting by whichever means. Even experimenting with small local LLMs like Deepseek R1:8B via Ollama. Though that brings the systems to their limits, spinning up the fan hard, and going allcore 3.1GHz :-)

Feels like BBSsing in the days of analog modems :-)

(Because 'thinking' for minutes, and answers trickle in like text at 300 to 1200 baud, or so)

But still, while doing so, music from YT doodling on, even whith EasyEffects, no scratches, klicks, distortions, whatever.

System stays responsive, no matter if I'm shuffling files in Dolphin/Krusader, torturing LibreOffice Calc, reading some website, PDF, downloading something, be it via browser/Kget or Ktorrent, remote desking, conferencing...

It's all just flowing very smoothly.

Bliss.

Because it just works.

(On my hardware, which may change if you have to use other drivers for AMD, Nvidia, or later intel graphics. Or your firmware/UEFI is buggy/broken.)

Editoftheedit:

Oh! Did I mention suspend to RAM and wakeup is working perfectly? Every single time! The same goes for Wake on LAN, or netbooting.

(cackling madly)

wkat4242 12/27/2025||
Wow so they have a desktop version again after many many years. That's huge.
soapdog 12/27/2025||
I wish someone would reimplement/clone Photon Micro GUI it was amazing.
hulitu 12/28/2025|
This is so 90's. Now, if something isn't using 500 MB of RAM and 50 libraries, it is not worth using it.
inamberclad 12/27/2025||
Wow, this could be quite useful for poking at the head unit in my car. It's also running QNX.
harhargange 12/27/2025||
I hope you don’t end up diagnosing issues on the highway.
written-beyond 12/27/2025||
PREEMPT_RT, Toyota's IVI shell for flutter and the AGL efforts has made qnx compete again
bregma 12/27/2025|
It's not a hard-running race. PREEMPT_RT is soft realtime and if you rely on it for your brakes you're going to crash. AGL has not yet produced any kind of usable system that can be certified for functional safety under ISO 26262 or IEC 61508. Just a core kernel with no drivers.

We run into a lot of OEMs who switch to Linux because of AGL and come crawling back to QNX many expensive months later to start over with a viable solution so they can deliver.

written-beyond 12/27/2025||
Toyota has adopted the flutter IVI shell in their newer cars. You could argue that it can also run on QNX but the real push behind it has been the growing interest and effort behind AGL.

QNX hypervisor architecture allows companies to adopt AGL gradually bringing in the productivity benefits of stuff like flutter and Linux. QT is hell, their entire moat has been the automotive industry/highly embedded devices and seeing Flutter chip away at even a small portion of it gives a lot of hope for a better competitive landscape for more productive and performant embedded guis.

cheema33 12/27/2025|
Supposedly QNX is used by many car infotainment systems. A hard realtime OS for infotainment? What is the purpose? There are costs associated with using something like QNX. I can understand if you needed to control drivetain with it, but for infotainment why not just use Linux?
blumenkraft 12/27/2025||
Infotainment controls many of car systems. For example, infotainment controls car drive mode, which instantly affects gearbox. Probably requires predictable time delays for certification.
bluGill 12/27/2025|||
No gpl, and more importantly the gpl 'fans' who can't write a line of code but will scream about gpl violations if they can find anything - even if false.

it run qt and does everything else so it is often an easy choice.

JohnAtQNX 12/27/2025|||
In some cases it could also be an Android guest running as a VM on the QNX Hypervisor, where there are multiple guests (QNX, Android, Linux) making use of the same HW.
tyingq 12/27/2025||
fast boot, low latency for buttons/controls.
kevin_thibedeau 12/27/2025||
I have a Ford Sync 2.5 system which is a cost reduced hardware downgrade from QNX based Sync 3. I'm sure the OS is doing its best while hobbled by a poor management decision but it has lots of bugs that crop up from what appears to be severe RAM shortage coupled with some gradual memory leaks. I have to reboot it regularly when traveling with Android auto. It's always a crap shoot if my phone will connect.
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