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Posted by zdw 18 hours ago

Software engineers should be a little bit cynical(www.seangoedecke.com)
227 points | 157 commentspage 4
skeptrune 16 hours ago|
plain and minimally styled UI is going to make a huge comeback in 2026. i think people are tired of all the maximalism in web dev
tormeh 13 hours ago|
Maximalism? Go to a japanese or chinese website. Those are maximalist. Western web design is all mobile-first minimalism.
9dev 17 hours ago||
It always sounds so ridiculous to me when people working for Meta, Microsoft or Google talk about idealism, or solving good problems, or really any kind of values. The likes of you have very much sold your soul to the devil in exchange for a lot of money. Any kind of idealism you may hold is nothing but a carefully crafted illusion to keep you from thinking too hard about what you are a part of, what are you are doing. If it hasn’t made click after big tech fell on their knees in front of Trump, there’s nothing left to say anymore.

So in a sense, Goedecke is right: Be a little cynical. Don’t bother with a veneer of the greater good or some other bullshit. Enjoy your paychecks while it lasts.

rramadass 9 hours ago||
Everybody (and not just Software Engineers) should keep this quote from Francesco Guicciardini (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Guicciardini) always in mind when dealing with people/companies/world;

To get a reputation for being suspicious and distrustful is certainly not desirable. Nevertheless, men are so false, so insidious, so deceitful and cunning in their wiles, so avid in their own interest, and so oblivious to other's interests, that you cannot go wrong if you believe little and trust less.

-- No. 157, Maxims and Reflections (Ricordi)

Jgoauh 5 hours ago||
I would have rather read an article about the best ways to create positive change in a capitalist system, a critique of socialism, Marxism, or anarchism, even if it was filled with words i didn't understand, than an article arguing about individual intent, and ignoring systemic design.
biglyburrito 16 hours ago||
A little bit?
29athrowaway 17 hours ago||
> "you should do things that make your manager happy"

If doing things ethically (not defrauding investors and customers) keeps your manager happy, then do it. If not, do it fucking anyways.

alehlopeh 13 hours ago||
I have a somewhat tangential question. If this is late stage capitalism, and tech CEOs are compared to robber barons to show how rich and greedy they’ve become, then what stage was capitalism in when the actual robber barons were doing their thing a hundred years ago?
tamimio 17 hours ago||
>cynical: concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted standards in order to achieve them

Indeed you are, for calling software developers “engineers” meanwhile software development is actually writing, so they are more closer to writers than engineers.

mettamage 17 hours ago||
I disagree with your view. It’s the thinking needed that makes it engineering, especially when you have a lot of constraints (massive scale, low latency, etc.).

Consider this: math is mostly doodling some glyphs on paper, so clearly it is closer to drawing than engineering.

s5300 8 hours ago|||
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bdangubic 17 hours ago|||
> especially when you have a lot of constraints (massive scale, low latency, etc.)

there are roughly 0.082% of software "engineers" that deal with these constraints or have to "think about them"

chasd00 16 hours ago||
To be fair most actual engineers just copy paste from a previous project (MEP engineers in architecture) or just look up numbers or equipment in a table (every structural engineer I’ve known). A vanishingly small percentage of any engineer (software or otherwise) are actually doing what most people think as “engineering”.
bdangubic 16 hours ago||
this type of comment will get you downvoted here faaaast… ;) bunch of “engineers” here engineering and shit
wiseowise 17 hours ago||
Do you also say this shit in real life?
the_cat_kittles 16 hours ago|
i genuinely believe the correct response to a post like this is: "shut the fuck up"
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