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Posted by amichail 13 hours ago

Researchers discover molecular difference in autistic brains(medicine.yale.edu)
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Uptrenda 10 hours ago||
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ijustwork 11 hours ago||
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mapontosevenths 9 hours ago||
This was studied because it sounds reasonable on paper and several small studies showed a small link.

However, they did a very large cohort study with hundreds of thousands of subjects. The link completely disappears when genetics are accounted for via sibling pairs.[0]

It took almost two whole minutes of Googling for me to disprove this nonsense. Which shows that RFK did less than 2 minutes worth of research before panicking the world.

[0] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

SubiculumCode 9 hours ago|||
I will say that this study presented a major challenge to the tylenol hypothesis. To my mind, there is still a remote possibility that the tylenol hypotehsis might just be relevant to a smaller subset of autistic individuals...but I am coming from the general outlook of believing autism needs to be subtyped when looking at etiology.
mapontosevenths 9 hours ago||
Personally, I very much agree. I feel that while the idea of a spectrum wasn't a mistake, it was only a start.
api 9 hours ago|||
But did you check the vibes?
mapontosevenths 9 hours ago||
I did, but I'm on the spectrum so I failed the vibe check. ;)
tomerico 10 hours ago|||
Didn’t whole internet get angry for Trump’s administration publishing a warning that Tylenol during pregnancy may cause autosim?
MangoToupe 10 hours ago|||
Can you explain the logical leap you're making here? Unless this is RFK Jr we're talking to, you're comparing two wildly different contexts.
ijustwork 10 hours ago||
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MangoToupe 10 hours ago||
The logical leap
ijustwork 10 hours ago|||
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mapontosevenths 10 hours ago|||
Anything claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
perching_aix 10 hours ago|||
> propaganda mouthpieces

Bit rich coming from a sockpuppet account created 57 minutes ago...

- exclusively commenting on this thread

- uncritically addressing it from a very specific angle

- mentioning specific things that sound related while not actually connecting them to the overall story with the same rigor

...isn't it?

ijustwork 10 hours ago||
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diydsp 10 hours ago||
The vaccine autism hoax is traced back to one specific discredired researcher:

https://time.com/5175704/andrew-wakefield-vaccine-autism/

ijustwork 10 hours ago||
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muglug 10 hours ago|||
Please don’t use a bunch of traumatised parents as a medical reference either. The science is extremely clear that Wakefield was a bad scientist — see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudulent_Lancet_MMR_vaccine-...
slater 10 hours ago|||
please don't use "many parents" as a medical reference
tryscience 9 hours ago||
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mapontosevenths 9 hours ago|
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406
truseek 9 hours ago||
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wizzwizz4 9 hours ago|
Re-posting a flagged and dead comment under a new account is not acceptable behaviour. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46416138
gerdesj 11 hours ago||
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try2stopme 9 hours ago||
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slater 9 hours ago|
stop already with the sockpuppet accounts
Hnrobert42 12 hours ago||
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gchamonlive 12 hours ago||
It would also be interesting if there's no link to be found.
lez 11 hours ago||
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tiberriver256 10 hours ago|
16 "autistic brains" were scanned and they are thinking this applies generally to all people with autism?

Shows how shockingly unaware even researchers are on how broad and nonspecific the diagnosis of autism is...

Were these 16 people hypo or hyper sensitive? Which of their five senses were involved? All? Some? Were some senses hyper and others hypo?

Need to start with categorization and specificity before we can make meaningful progress in research

SubiculumCode 9 hours ago|
I have not read the paper as I am traveling, but just in case your opinion is based on the news article, let's not confuse that reporting with the actual research.claims or the actual views held by the scientists involved. This was likely a paper demonstrating the technique in preparation of a more comprehensive study.
tiberriver256 9 hours ago|||
The full paper isn't open so I can only read the abstract, method and results.

The part I take issue with: "lower brain-wide mGlu5 availability may represent a molecular mechanism underlying altered excitatory neurotransmission that has the potential to stratify the heterogeneous autism phenotype."

Seems like the very premise is flawed, though. Searching for a single global identifier for autism would be like if we spent research time trying to find a single global identifier for cancer. Noble effort... Way harder than spending effort on subcategorization into "lung" and "heart" cancers and working on research for detection of those subtypes.

The only good categorization we have in autism now is severity.

The anecdote I always like to share is Temple Grandin.

She was hyper-sensitive to auditory and tactile senses. The cause for this hypersensitivity was cerebellar abnormalities in her brain. Right now, someone who is hypo-sensitive to sound and touch because of different cerebellar development will also be put in the same bucket diagnostically speaking. There's not gonna be any universal way to detect that though...

To quote her directly:

"It would be my number one research priority, but one of the problems we’ve got on studying this, is that one person may have visual sensitivity, another one touch sensitivities, another one, auditory sensitivities. And when you study these, you got to separate them out. You can’t just mix them all together." https://www.sensoryfriendly.net/podcast/understanding-my-aut...

SubiculumCode 9 hours ago|||
I would say that as an autism researcher whose focus is in finding autism subgroups that I doubt that any specific receptor differences will not apply to the whole spectrum, probably just to one or several subsets
tiberriver256 9 hours ago||
So glad to hear research is being done in that area.

I'm a dad of two autistic boys who I think would be very different categories. I have friends whose child isn't really autistic, they have a much more rare and specific diagnosis but it's so rare it's hard to get supports so they got him diagnosed as autistic because that criteria is so broad almost anyone can qualify.

Thank you for your work!