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Posted by zdw 12/28/2025

What an unprocessed photo looks like(maurycyz.com)
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krackers 12/28/2025|
>if the linear data is displayed directly, it will appear much darker then it should be.

This seems more a limitation of monitors. If you had very large bit depth, couldn't you just display images in linear light without gamma correction.

Sharlin 12/29/2025||
No. It's about the shape of the curve. Human light intensity perception is not linear. You have to nonlinearize at some point of the pipeline, but yes, typically you should use high-resolution (>=16 bits per channel) linear color in calculations and apply the gamma curve just before display. The fact that traditionally this was not done, and linear operations like blending were applied to nonlinear RGB values, resulted in ugly dark, muddy bands of intermediate colors even in high-end applications like Photoshop.
krackers 12/29/2025|||
>Human light intensity perception is not linear... You have to nonlinearize at some point of the pipeline

Why exactly? My understanding is that gamma correction is effectively a optimization scheme during encoding to allocate bits in a perceptually uniform way across the dynamic range. But if you just have enough bits to work with and are not concerned with file sizes (and assuming all hardware could support these higher bit depths), then this shouldn't matter? IIRC unlike crts, LCDs don't have a power curve response in terms of the hardware anyway, and emulate the overall 2.2 trc via LUT. So you could certainly get monitors to accept linear input (assuming you manage to crank up the bit depth enough to the point where you're not losing perceptual fidelity), and just do everything in linear light.

In fact if you just encoded the linear values as floats that would probably give you best of both worlds, since floating point is basically log-encoding where density of floats is lower at the higher end of the range.

https://www.scantips.com/lights/gamma2.html (I don't agree with a lot of the claims there, but it has a nice calculator)

Dylan16807 12/29/2025|||
The shape of the curve doesn't matter at all. What matters is having a mismatch between the capture curve and the display curve.

If you kept it linear all the way to the output pixels, it would look fine. You only have to go nonlinear because the screen expects nonlinear data. The screen expects this because it saves a few bits, which is nice but far from necessary.

To put it another way, it appears so dark because it isn't being "displayed directly". It's going directly out to the monitor, and the chip inside the monitor is distorting it.

AlotOfReading 12/28/2025|||
Correction is useful for a bunch of different reasons, not all of them related to monitors. Even ISP pipelines without displays involved will still usually do it to allocate more bits to the highlights/shadows than the relatively distinguishable middle bits. Old CRTs did it because the electron gun had a non-linear response and the gamma curve actually linearized the output. Film processing and logarithmic CMOS sensors do it because the sensing medium has a nonlinear sensitivity to the light level.
tobyhinloopen 12/29/2025|||
The problem with their example is that you can display linear image data just fine, just not with JPEG. Mapping linear data to 255 RGB that expects the gamma-corrected values is just wrong. They could have used an image format that supports linear data, like JPEG-XL, AVIF or HEIC. No conversion to 0-255 required, just throw in the data as-is.
dheera 12/29/2025||
If we're talking about a sunset, then we're talking about your monitor shooting out blinding, eye-hurting brightness light wherever the sun is in the image. That wouldn't be very pleasant.
krackers 12/29/2025|||
That's a matter of tone mapping which is separate from gamma encoding? Even today, linearized pixel value 255 will be displayed at your defined SDR brightness no matter what. Changing your encoding gamma won't help that because for correct output the transform necessarily needs to be be undone during display.
Dylan16807 12/29/2025||||
Linear encoding doesn't change the max brightness of the monitor.

More importantly, the camera isn't recording blinding brightness in the first place! It'll say those pixels are pure white, which is probably a few hundred or thousand nits depending on shutter settings.

myself248 12/29/2025|||
Which is why I'm looking at replacing my car's rear-view mirror with a camera and a monitor. Because I can hard-cap the monitor brightness and curve the brightness below that, eliminating the problem of billion-lumens headlights behind me.
ctime 12/29/2025||
Digging through the raw source of pages these days is always interesting..

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logicprog 12/29/2025|
It doesn't work, though, so it's purely a cope / virtue signal.
BrandoElFollito 12/29/2025||
This is a great article but I was surprised how anemic the tree was :)

Really good article though

Plankaluel 12/29/2025|
Yeah, that was my first reaction as well
petterroea 12/29/2025||
I was lucky enough to take some introductory courses at the NTNU Colorlab in Gjøvik, Norway. What I learned there changed my view on vision.

Computer imaging is much wider than you think. It cares about the entire signal pipeline, from emission from a light source, to capture by a sensor, to re-emission from a display, to absorption in your eye, and how your brain perceives it. Just like our programming languages professor called us "Pythonized minds" for only knowing a tiny subset of programming, there is so much more to vision than the RGB we learn at school. Look up "Metamerism" for some entry-level fun. Color spaces are also fun and funky.

There are a lot of interesting papers in the field, and its definitely worth reading some.

A highlight of my time at university.

logicziller 12/29/2025||
Author should've mentioned how the first image "as my camera’s sensor sees it" was obtained.
tobyhinloopen 12/29/2025||
They did:

> Sensor data with the 14 bit ADC values mapped to 0-255 RGB.

pier25 12/29/2025||
probably from the raw file?
throw310822 12/28/2025||
Very interesting, pity the author chose such a poor example for the explanation (low, artificial and multicoloured light), making it really hard to understand what the "ground truth" and expected result should be.
delecti 12/28/2025|
I'm not sure I understand your complaint. The "expected result" is either of the last two images (depending on your preference), and one of the main points of the post is to challenge the notion of "ground truth" in the first place.
throw310822 12/28/2025||
Not a complaint, but both the final images have poor contrast, lighting, saturation and colour balance, making them a disappointing target for an explanation of how these elements are produced from raw sensor data.

But anyway, I enjoyed the article.

foldr 12/29/2025||
That’s because it requires much more sophisticated processing to produce pleasing results. The article is showing you the absolute basic steps in the processing pipeline and also that you don’t really want an image that is ‘unprocessed’ to that extent (because it looks gross).
throw310822 12/29/2025||
No, the last image is the "camera" version of it- though it's not clear if he means the realtime processing before snapping the picture or with the postprocessing that happens right after. Anyway, we have no way to understand how far the basic-processed raw picture is from a pleasing or normal-looking result because a) the lighting is so bad and artificial that we have no idea of how "normal" should look; b) the subject is unpleasant and the quality "gross" in any case.
lucasgw 12/29/2025||
While I appreciate anyone rebuilding from the studs, there is so much left out that I think is essential to even a basic discussion.

1. Not all sensors are CMOS/Bayer. Fuji's APS C series uses X-Trans filters, which are similar to Bayer, but a very different overlay. And there's RYYB, Nonacell, EXR, Quad Bayer, and others. 2. Building your own crude demosaicing and LUT (look up table) process is ok, but important to mention that every sensor is different and requires its own demosaicing and debayering algorithms that are fine-tuned to that particular sensor. 3. Pro photogs and color graders have been doing this work for a long time, and there are much more well-defined processes for getting to a good image. Most color grading software (Resolve, SCRATCH, Baselight) have a wide variety of LUT stacking options to build proper color chains. 4. etc.

Having a discussion about RAW processing that talks about human perception w/o talking about CIE, color spaces, input and output LUTs, ACES, and several other acronyms feels unintentionally misleading to someone who really wants to dig into the core of digital capture and post-processing.

(side note - I've always found it one of the industry's great ironies that Kodak IP - Bruce Bayer's original 1976 patent - is the single biggest thing that killed Kodak in the industry.)

jeremyscanvic 12/29/2025||
Something that's important to bear in mind when displaying raw images like that is it's not so much that raw images need to be processed to look good intrinsically. It's much more that they need to be processed to be in the form displays expect. Gamma correction is only needed because displays expect gamma corrected images and they automatically try to undo the correction.
lifeisstillgood 12/29/2025||
Ok I just never imagined that photons hitting camera lenses would not produce a “raw” image that made sense to my eyes - I am stunned and this is a fantastic addition to the canon of things one should know about the modern world.

(I also just realised that the world become more complex than I could understand when some guy mixed two ochres together and finger painted a Woolly Mammoth.)

bborud 12/29/2025|
Your brain does a far more impressive job of fooling you into believing that the image you see of your surroundings in your brain is actually what your sensory apparatus is seeing. It very much isn’t. Just the mechanism to cope with your eye movement without making you woozy is, by itself, a marvel.

Our brains are far more impressive than what amounts to fairly trivial signal processing done on digital images.

lifeisstillgood 12/29/2025||
That reminds me of the explanation of why sometimes you look at the second hand of a clock and it seems like it takes longer than a second to tick- because your brain is actually (IIRR) delaying and extending the time it sends the image (I think)
bloggie 12/29/2025|
I work with camera sensors and I think this is a good way to train some of the new guys, with some added segments about the sensor itself and readout. It starts with raw data, something any engineer can understand, and the connection to the familiar output makes for good training.
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