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Posted by geox 12/28/2025

As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise(www.npr.org)
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sega_sai 12/29/2025|
So that makes it clearer how all these AI data centers will be payed for. They will be payed for by all of us paying more for the PCs, laptops and phones, while all the AI people arrange sweet deals guaranteeing low prices.
cmxch 12/31/2025||
At what point does antitrust become a thing?
29athrowaway 12/29/2025||
AI needs data and data that comes from consumer devices.
krick 12/29/2025||
Reminds me of my comment of 6 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21581390
shevy-java 12/29/2025||
I now consider this a mafia that aims to milk us for more money. This includes all AI companies but also manufacturers who happily benefit from this. It is a de-facto monopoly. Governments need to stop allowing this milking scheme to happen.
DamnInteresting 12/29/2025||
When it's more than one company working together in a monopoly-like fashion, the term is "oligopoly".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oligopoly

vee-kay 12/29/2025||
There is another word for it: cartel.

e.g., the Phoebus cartel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel

yowlingcat 12/29/2025|||
Technically it's a lot closer to monopsony (Sam Altman/OAI cornering 40% of the market on DRAM in a clever way for his interests that harms the rest of the world that would want to use it). I keep hoping that somehow necessity will spur China to become the mother of invention here and supply product to serve the now lopsided constrained supply given increasing demand but I just don't know how practical it will be.
throwaway94275 12/29/2025|||
"Monopoly" means one seller, so you can't say multiple X makes a monopoly and make sense. You probably mean collusion.

If demand exceeds supply, either prices rise or supply falls, causing shortages. Directly controlling sellers (prices) or buyers (rationing) results in black markets unless enforcement has enough strength and integrity. The required strength and integrity seems to scale exponentially with the value of the good, so it's typically effectively impossible to prevent out-of-spec behavior for anything not cheap.

If everyone wants chips, semiconductor manufacturing supply should be increased. Governments should subsidize domestic semiconductor industries and the conditions for them to thrive (education, etc.) to meet both goals of domestic and economic security, and do it in a way that works.

The alternative is decreasing demand. Governments could hold bounty and incentive programs for building electronics that last a long time or are repairable or recyclable, but it's entirely possible the market will eventually do that.

rileymat2 12/29/2025|||
> If everyone wants chips, semiconductor manufacturing supply should be increased. Governments should subsidize domestic semiconductor industries and the conditions for them to thrive (education, etc.) to meet both goals of domestic and economic security, and do it in a way that works.

If there is already demand at this inflated price, shouldn’t we ask why more capacity is not coming online naturally first?

kaoD 12/29/2025||
> If there is already demand at this inflated price, shouldn’t we ask why more capacity is not coming online naturally first?

...and why it has been consistently the case for a long while.

rileymat2 12/31/2025||
Yes, one of the most valuable companies in the world has been supply strained for years. Unless incredibly well focused investments are made, cash is not the problem. Subsidies are madness.
yupyupyups 12/29/2025|||
Why would government officials and politicians want to stop making money?
klooney 12/29/2025|||
I mean, if you were the Micron CEO, would you bet the company on demand sustaining from AI? It seems like it could all go belly up very fast.
ekianjo 12/29/2025||
There is no monopoly in AI. I can name at least 10 big actors worldwide.
ggm 12/29/2025||
If they collude on pricing and restrict new entrants, that's what the Sherman anti trust laws are about.
bdangubic 12/29/2025|||
the fines that would be levied via potential sherman law violations would negligible so that is for sure not a deterrent
ggm 12/29/2025||
It would be understood that any action under the sherman act is unlikely and as you say, the financial penalties are tokenistic.

The non financial parts, which include mandated restructuring and penalties to directors including incarceration however, are not tokenistic. They'd be appealed and delayed, but at some point the shareholders would seek redress from the board. Ignoring judicial mandated instructions isn't really a good idea, current WH behaviour aside. If the defence here is "courts don't matter any more" that's very unhelpful, if true. At some point, a country which cannot enforce judicial outcomes has stopped being civil society.

My personal hope the EU tears holes in the FAANG aside, the collusive pricing of chips has been a problem for some time. The cost/price disjunction here is strong.

ekianjo 1/1/2026|||
I'd be very surprised if Alibaba colludes with OpenAI for pricing
vittore 12/28/2025||
I've been ruminating on this past two years, with life before AI most of the compute staying cheap and pretty much 90% idle , we are finally getting to the point of using all of this compute. We probably will find more algorithms to improve efficiency of all the matrix computations, and with AI bubble same thing will happen that happened with telecom bubble and all the fiber optic stuff that turned out to be drastically over provisioned. Fascinating times!
shevy-java 12/29/2025||
I don't think any of this is "fascinating" - it is more of a racket scheme. They push the prices up. Governments failed the people here.
yooogurt 12/29/2025||
Isn't this more easily explained by supply-demand? Supply can't quickly scale, and so with increased demand there will be increased prices.
ozgrakkurt 12/29/2025||
Imagine someone goes to the supermarket and buys all the tomatoes. Then supermarket owner says I don’t know, he bought all at once so it is a better sale. And he sells the remaining 10% of tomatoes at a huge markup
vittore 12/29/2025||
I think it is better compared to Dutch folks buying all the tulip bulbs. And the price skyrocketed.
Ekaros 12/29/2025||
Tulips were by my understanding more so NFTs. Rich people gambling when bored. With promises for tulips in future... Future contracts for tulips. And prices were high because they were insanely rich merchants.

The RAM looks like cornering market. Probably something OpenAI should be prosecuted for if they end up profiting from it.

squibonpig 12/29/2025||
Except it's still sitting idle in warehouses while datacenters get built. They aren't running yet. Unlike with fiber, GPUs degrade rapidly with use, and for now datacenters need to be practically rebuilt to fit new generations, so we shouldn't expect much reusable hardware to come from this
disqard 12/29/2025||
The free market will surely fix this, amirite?

Maybe this is the free market working as intended -- did you know that RAM is actually a luxury item, like a Rolls Royce, and most plebes should just make do with 4gb machines, because that is the optimum solution!

bfrog 12/29/2025|
Make all RAM the same density, lease out extra RAM through software. Rent all the things. Blackrock demands it.
Culonavirus 12/29/2025||
I mean yea, but this is THE wrong site to post stuff like this. Half the people here are the AI cock and the other half is riding it.
cglan 12/29/2025||
At this current pace, if "the electorate" doesn't see real benefits to any of this. 2028 is going to be referendum on AI unfortunately.

Whether you like it or not, AI right now is mostly

- high electricity prices - crazy computer part prices - phasing out of a lot of formerly high paying jobs

and the benefits are mostly - slop and chatgpt

Unless OpenAI and co produce the machine god, which genuinely is possible. If most people's interactions with AI are the negative externalities they'll quickly be wondering if ChatGPT is worth this cost.

caconym_ 12/29/2025||
> they'll quickly be wondering if ChatGPT is worth this cost

They should be, and the answer is obviously no—at least to them. No political or business leader has outlined a concrete, plausible path to the sort of vague UBI utopia that's been promised for "regular folks" in the bullish scenario (AGI, ASI, etc.), nor have they convincingly argued that this isn't an insane bubble that's going to cripple our economy when AGI doesn't happen—a scenario that's looking more and more likely every day.

There is no upside and only downside; whether we're heading for sci-fi apocalypse or economic catastrophe, the malignant lunatics pushing this technology expect to be insulated from consequences whether they end up owning the future light-cone of humanity or simply enjoying the cushion of their vast wealth while the majority suffers the consequences of an economic crash a few rich men caused by betting it all, even what wasn't theirs to bet.

Everybody should be fighting this tooth and nail. Even if these technologies are useful (I believe they are), and even if they can be made into profitable products and sustainable businesses, what's happening now isn't related to any of that.

zaptheimpaler 12/29/2025|||
I hope they do. We live in a time of incredibly centralized wealth & power and AI and particularly "the machine god" has the potential to make things 100x worse and return us to a feudal system if the ownership and profits all go to a few capital owners.
trinsic2 12/29/2025||
IMHO this is exactly what is happening. Everyone should be on the phone with there senators putting pressure to enforce anti-trust and deal with citizens united
stefan_ 12/29/2025|||
For good measure, a bunch of this is funded through money taken directly from the electorates taxes and given to a few select companies, whose leaders then graciously donate to the latest Ballroom grift. Micron, so greedy they thought nothing of shutting down their consumer brand even when it costs them nothing at all, got $6B in Chips Act money in 2024.
OGEnthusiast 12/29/2025||
> At this current pace, if "the electorate" doesn't see real benefits to any of this. 2028 is going to be referendum on AI unfortunately.

Not saying this is necessarily a bad prediction for 2028, but I'm old enough to remember when the 2020 election was going to be a referendum on billionaires and big tech monopolies.

CTDOCodebases 12/29/2025|
"May"
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