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Posted by ggeorgovassilis 12/29/2025

Staying ahead of censors in 2025(forum.torproject.org)
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1vuio0pswjnm7 12/29/2025|
"As the severity of censorship in Russia has increased, WebTunnel has also received several fixes, such as SNI imitation and safe non-WebPKI certificate support with certificate-chain pinning to ensure it can withstand more kinds of censorship, including SNI allowlisting and the rapid blocking of distributed bridges."

"SNI imitation" and "non-WebPKI certificate support" sounds like it could be useful for purposes other than evading censorship in any particular country

Discerning web users around the globe might also be interesting evading data collection, surveillance and ads by so-called "tech" companies, for example

https://blog.torproject.org/introducing-webtunnel-evading-ce...

mos87 12/29/2025||
Do they have official instructions on how to setup (which URLs for STUN, etc - there are a couple required) TOR via Snowflake on desktop (bc on Android it all seems to be bundled inside Orbot)?
keepamovin 12/29/2025||
Legal question for the Tor team (disclaimer, I love Tor and use it in BrowserBox):

- Does Tor need an OFAC license to supply to Russian and Iranian (and other sanctioned entities)? What's your approach to stay compliant and globally helpful? I know 50% of your funding comes from US government (or did a few years back, still?), does this give you extra pathways to engage those regions?

I'm wondering because the system would seem to fall under ITAR due to its encryption, and even if non-ITAR is still a cyber product and these countries are heavily OFAC listed rn.

This is relevant for me right now as I was recetnyl contact by a significant entity in a sanctioned region with a massive deal for BrowserBox. Applying for an OFAC license to see if it's possible to serve them (but we have to make final determination on ethics/legal even if license is approved, I guess). My feeling is that broad sanctions don't hurt the things they are meant to but punish people in all countries from forming transnational links that might actually help to prevent conflicts and build relations however small. Idk, just my reflections after encountring this situation.

greyface- 12/29/2025||
> supply

> product

OFAC regulates international trade. Isn't Tor's publication an act of pure speech, rather than commerce? They're not charging for it, and they aren't physically moving any goods across borders. How could Tor be subject to any restrictions here?

(not a lawyer, just someone who naively thought the Crypto Wars ended in the 90s)

keepamovin 12/29/2025||||
I'm not sure that's why I'm asking.
vscode-rest 12/29/2025|||
Encryption isn’t ITAR.
octoberfranklin 12/29/2025|||
> massive deal

OFAC applies to trade, like your "massive deal". OFAC's original authority comes from a law titled, literally "The Trading With the Enemy Act".

Tor publishes free software, asking nothing in return. That isn't trade. Neither are those evangelists who broadcast sermons on shortwave radio -- they certainly "serve" Iran in the sense that people in that country can hear their broadcasts.

"Cyber product" lolwut? I think you have been breathing too many beltway fumes.

tuetuopay 12/29/2025|||
This sounds a bit like the GrapheneOS shenanigans in France recently: it's an opensource project with no product per-se. There's no supplying to anyone; rather people help themselves to grab it. The debate would be should opensource projects like Tor or GrapheneOS prevent sanctioned people from grabbing the freely (as in both beer and speech) available project from the shelf.

(writing this message, I realized how hard it is not to write "product" for the thing graphene and tor make)

basedrum 12/29/2025||
Check out their blog for their financial report, 50% is way too much
nephihaha 12/30/2025||
I love how this goes on about Iran and Russia but not the obvious issues elsewhere.
NoiseBert69 12/29/2025||
I'd really love to see native DNS Tunneling in Tor.
yanoleaf 12/31/2025||
Oh now you care, while conservatives were censored since 2020...
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