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Posted by HansVanEijsden 3 days ago

Perfectly Replicating Coca Cola [video](www.youtube.com)
262 points | 165 commentspage 2
neuroelectron 19 hours ago|
Some of the interesting discovered flavor components in this trial were tea tree and basil (not shown in the video).
ipsum2 18 hours ago|
Yes I'm surprised basil wasn't included. How did you find out if it wasn't in the video?
neuroelectron 10 hours ago||
One of the author-tagged comments, "fenchol is found in basil :)"
lurn_mor 3 days ago||
Quite informative, and a laundry list of flavor names/chemicals that sound far more dangerous than they taste. Interesting find is vinegar, which might have offered a small germ-fighting benefit and given Coca Cola the 'medical' qualities it initially sold for...
halapro 1 day ago||
The ingredients he uses are not necessarily what CC uses, but they're just a way to replicate the flavor profile. Notably he lacks the coca extract so he has to make up for it.
foxyv 2 days ago|||
I think that the cocaine was the origin of its medical debut.
riffraff 20 hours ago|||
Cola nut also contains caffeine, so quite an energy drink between the two.
colechristensen 18 hours ago|||
It was a reformulation from a popular drink where wine was infused with coca leaves and kola nuts, popular with Pope Leo XIII who appeared on poster advertisements for it. (and many others)

Georgia passed prohibition and coca-cola was an invention to replace the now banned beverages.

fiftyacorn 18 hours ago||
Is that tonic wine? Like buckfast?
colechristensen 18 hours ago||
Same kind of thing as Buckfast, long out of production but somebody tried to revive it a decade ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Mariani

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mariani_pope.jpg

leetrout 18 hours ago||
I was surprised to see nausea meds for kids that's phosphoric acid and sugar...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose/fructose/phosphoric_ac...

tgv 7 hours ago||
I thought it was well known that Coca Cola contained phosphoric acid. It's one of the reasons why it's so bad for your teeth.
zahlman 7 hours ago||
It's explicitly listed as an ingredient, even.
tuetuopay 17 hours ago||
One of the really interesting thing (to me) in this video is that the very distinctive "your whole mouth sticks and is slimy from the sugar and even your teeth feel different" can be traced from a single component that's added seemingly for this purpose. And it's the thing I can't stand with regular non-zero coke (well the sugar level too, but that's pure health thing).

It would also be very interesting if he could get his hands on coke from different markets as the formulation varies from country to country. One of the most obvious is the amount of cinnamon, but it would be very interesting to know if more differences were there.

Another interrogation of mine would be if, sugar aside, the formula is different between regular coke and coke zero. I'd bet is is, simply to offset the aftertaste that aspartam/artificial sweeteners have, but I'm curious if other non-sweetness related ingredients do change.

8note 13 hours ago||
"cloying" is the word you're looking for for that sugar mouthfeel
SamBam 13 hours ago||
I've always assumed that's either the corn syrup or something else that's in the American version, because I swear growing up in Italy I never noticed this.

Haven't done a side-by-side comparison, though, so maybe it's just my memory of my childhood tastebuds.

tuetuopay 8 hours ago||
I live in France and there definitely is this feeling. I may be biased, because I only drink coke zero, which has a distinct "dryness" to it wrt other sodas. However, it's the only non-zero soda where I notice this feeling.

Children have a much more sweet tooth than adults, so it may be the reason you did not notice it, as it would not necessarily register as bothersome. I liked to bite into direct sugar cubes as a kid, which I would definitely not stand today.

Tempest1981 11 hours ago||
Reminded me of the book Fast Food Nation where they describe the artificial flavor industry (Chapter 5), and visit labs in New Jersey where fast food tastes are created by "flavorists". Most of the taste comes from smell, via gas molecules released in the mouth.

The book also covers how they scout out real estate, and how they create french fries by shooting potatoes at 80 mph. (A bit different from in-n-out)

Note: don't bother watching the movie, it's nothing like the book.

richardatlarge 3 days ago||
It would be interesting to know more about how it's actually manufactured and whether he has ideas about why the classic formula was changed -- maybe something to do with the cost of one of the steps, which the video suggests could be true, as it's damn complicated
mattmaroon 11 hours ago|
At a high level: probably they buy flavors from the flavor houses by the rail car or tanker truck and mix them with water, sweetener, and gum Arabic. I’ve seen it at much smaller scale, but I bet Coke has some amazingly large machinery given the scale.
o999 10 hours ago||
Could he patent-troll Coca cola?
lostlogin 10 hours ago|
He doesn’t want to change the world, he wants to sell sugar water!
anishgupta 3 days ago||
I didn't see the full video, but in a nutshell its quite some effort. For a person who has a bad tastebud like me, every dark colored carbonated drink tastes almost the same to me :(
glemion43 3 days ago|
You are not missing anything though.

Just a lot of sugar

tjwebbnorfolk 16 hours ago|||
There's a lot of reasons Carbonated Sugar Water, Inc. isn't a $200B business, and Coca Cola (tm) is, that "just a lot of sugar" doesn't even begin to explain.
yodsanklai 1 hour ago|||
Coca Cola is often mentioned in the first lesson of a marketing class. The product would collapse without the huge amount of money they put in advertising every year.
kasabali 6 hours ago|||
Distribution network and marketing.
dylan604 20 hours ago|||
that's a very oversimplification of it. how people can be willing to consume a beverage that can be used to eat the corrosion off of battery terminals is beyond me. so they'd be missing that on top of the sugar, unless of course they are drinking the sugar free versions, then it's just the battery cleanser
kstrauser 20 hours ago|||
> how people can be willing to consume a beverage that can be used to eat the corrosion off of battery terminals is beyond me.

Wait 'til you find out what water can do.

I do get your point, but really, it's just corrosive in a different way than the usual highly corrosive stuff we consume daily.

jrochkind1 20 hours ago||||
> can be used to eat the corrosion off of battery terminal

That's just acidic, orange juice will do the same thing. But perhaps you are amazed people are willing to consume orange juice too!

mattmaroon 11 hours ago||||
Luckily I have zero battery terminals inside me. Any acid would eat the corrosion off a battery terminal. Orange juice probably works.

Chemistry is scary to those who don’t understand it because it gets used for this type of sophistry.

tjwebbnorfolk 16 hours ago||||
I'm drinking a coke right now. The reason? I like it.

Also I'm not sure how the pH level of a food is relevant to anything

rootusrootus 16 hours ago||||
About the same acidity as lemonade. Less acidic than the stomach it is going into. There are far more pressing things to worry about in this world.
Arch-TK 20 hours ago||||
Lemonade (made from real sugar, water and lemons and nothing else) can also eat the corrosion off of battery terminals...
rhyperior 19 hours ago||||
Let me tell you about this thing called saliva…
tucnak 8 hours ago|||
It's so entertaining how, like, 10 people jumped in to make fun of you for this idiotic pirouette!
Imustaskforhelp 16 hours ago||
I'd love to get hands on this coca cola's syrup. I know that this video has just recently released but I feel like this might help in producing indie levels of quantity of syrups which can be sold to indie users

I am not even much of a coca cola person. Usually I drink Pepsi or mountain dew but this video is one of the most high efforts video I have ever watched. Period.

massive respects to LabCoatz. I seriously didn't expect this level of quality, its shocking how good youtube is. This feels so professional and well thought of in a way

I am still in high school and I was studying chemistry. I don't enjoy chemistry (In fact I complain often so much about being forced to study chem to go to a decent CS uni that even AI LLM's wrapped of 2025 picked it up on my admittedly hate on chemistry https://hn-wrapped.kadoa.com/Imustaskforhelp)

I think that the chemistry (atleast what I study) is fundamentally different from the science shown here. This is the chemistry which genuinely attracted me. Studying biomolecules and seeing the structures some of them were even familiar.

I don't know but in a sense it kind of helps an genuine interest in the subject while being genuinely practical so I thank this video creator.

Some videos are just gems, this is one of them. I was constantly thinking surely Coke is so large of a company, everyone's heard of the secret, surely someone else must have made something so effective ( I was thinking of a large company) but it turns out that large companies dont really end up doing this and its the one man shop with genuine passion to his craft (in this chemistry) which really ends up doing spectacular.

Massive respects. Can't recommend it enough right now.

Also I am thinking of one thing but what if an non profit can be established who can produce such bottles of "lab cola" perhaps at a low-mid --> high scale.

I'd genuinely support and imagine that you can buy lab cola which can be environmentally safe and the proceeds go to social causes which you can align to. Wouldn't that just be amazing?

This opens up so much more possibilities!!

Edit: I thought about the non profit idea even more and I think that this can position itself as for fundraising as well. Imagine this genuine movement of slowly owning what we actually eat no more secret recipes. This seems to be the open source of Food and I am all for it!

If one worries about the supply chain, they can supply it via amazon or local providers (yes I know Amazon is morally shitty at times but I feel like this might answer some questions that people might have about that coca cola has worldwide presence, how is it gonna compete)

One could also bootstrap the whole thing and directly sell to customers or businesses as well (the businesses can have genuine value to it, I don't think that at scale, there is much of a difference in pricing and some amount of pricing gains are okay for what its worth if the mission is noble)

Best part is that Coca Cola can do nothing about all of it and the ideas are limitless, the bottleneck was the recipe which has now been effectively reverse engineered haha. There is a genuine ability for people to bring change in beverage industry. I am certainly hyped for what its worth. Someone please contact LabCoatz if you have affiliates and give him this idea if possible or anyone implement it themselves if they follow a similar field/expertise to this. If so, I would be your first customer for the non profit :)

jelling 16 hours ago||
I didn’t like studying chemistry at all when I was your age. But I also didn’t like physics until I took a class thar focused on it in a practical way. So definitely listen to your interests but perhaps you’ll find a better on-ramp to chemistry if you focus on food chemistry or something else more pragmatic.

But cheers for showing support to high quality science content on YT. Appreciation is a great instinct to nurture.

8note 13 hours ago|||
i did well at all the stoichiometry, and energy calculations, but i never thoguht of chemistry as something fun until i started seeing the variius youtube videos of figuring/designing out chemical and filtering processes and trying them.

unfortunately thast long after i might have learned how to do that problem solving. maybe if i go back to school ill try to find such classes. i imagine biochem also has a lot of that

Imustaskforhelp 16 hours ago|||
No, I think my hate (Edit: Hate seems a strong word, I meant dislike perhaps, Its just that I usually blame chem for any grades loss because thats the reality more on that later) in chemistry stems from the fact that people are able to grasp it naturally for some reason and chem is considered very high scoring so its depressing and you resent the subject if you can't achieve score in chem (mind you, that where I live, the individual subjects score don't matter but the aggregate, so in essense, chem has equal weightage as much as maths or physics while being really simpler but still requires a fundamental grasp which I find unintuitive at times and somehow unable to understand so the system feels a little unfair to me at times in the unique situation but oh well) I still feel like I dont study chem that much when the feedback loop just exited when I was studying and didnt get marks so I decided to stop studying it that much but now I am starting to genuinely focus 100% on chem most of the time because I just have to remember a few things and instant boost in my marks (or so I am thinking, we will see how this goes but it seems to be the best utilization of my time right now)

I could probably blame some parts of the education system but I don't think that the system can probably change regarding it. Still, I just wanted to share my frustrations regarding it where everything kind of becomes overcompetitive while you have a hobby in computers and I feel like genuine passion towards computing/linux and other things and want to make it a job because in my case I feel like money's valuable only in the end to do something that I enjoy and in this case, I can get both paid and enjoy without having to go through a retirement phase (or so my thoughts on FIRE, I'd still invest/save most of the money as money is rather not the big part of why I am doing this in my opinion) and Chem doesn't have anything related to it for what its worth.

I still have to go read chemistry though. But I don't know why but something in this video genuinely clicked chemistry for me where I could watch a 100 videos like this (although the point can be that I am now doing it out of my own free will and not a rigorous syllabus with tests and rewards/punishments systems basically)

Sorry for the yap, just wanted to get it off my chest. I have nothing against chem as a subject tho, I am sure that its interesting and this video sorts of proves it but I feel like I am more inclined towards software engineering but it sucks that I have to study chem to go do what I actually want in life (which requires a degree for maximal benefit which requires good marks aka a decent/huge focus on chem as well right now)

> But cheers for showing support to high quality science content on YT. Appreciation is a great instinct to nurture.

Thanks! I appreciate it, Have a nice day!

(Also edit once again) but I want to touch on the reason why I feel appreciating it even more so is because a single guy is able to compete against (essentially) a 200 Billion $ GIANT.

Such levels of individual freedom and achievements should be celebrated by the society just for the sake of it (and in this case we can see some other benefits as well as I told in the initial comment)

They empower Individual youth and Individuals in general and its very empowering. Generally the same reason I love Open source as well. Bringing real change to the world and leaving a fingerprint on Humanity I suppose. Even small things like these provide me and maybe others hope against darkness created by system of corruption being witnessed most around the world and monopolization/ big businesses doing shady practices most often.

eek2121 16 hours ago|||
So full disclosure, I haven't watched the video, and I've already seen some couple comments since I always take a brief scan before I do.

That being said: The thing about soda that most people get wrong is the level of fizz. Nothing is comparable to commercial soda just based off that. So, when you start off from a lower level baseline of "your fizz" < "their fizz", and add in recipe differences...well, it'll be a fun watch, regardless.

Small edit on this: They used a soda stream, which definitely doesn't add as much carbonation as commercial equipment does. Based only upon that, the taste profile will end up different for most, and despite all the science involved, it will lead to the over use of other flavors to compensate. Respectable try, however. He should sell premixed stuff on his website, although I imagine that is a regulatory nightmare, given that some of the stuff he used isn't food grade.

tucnak 8 hours ago||
They didn't use soda stream, I don't know what made you think that... They just used regular old bottled carbonated water.
gosub100 2 hours ago|||
This is a good alternative to redirect profits from a billion dollar company, but it still leaves the problem of selling a diabetes-causing, tooth-decaying addictive substance.
8note 13 hours ago||
if you watch to the end, he provides his final recipe, with the caveat that making the batch the first time will be pretty expensive, and also make sure you have good safety gear on sicne some of the ingredients are dangerous when not diluted.
2OEH8eoCRo0 19 hours ago|
The marketing and trademark is more important than the formula. If you created and sold a perfect Coke clone you wouldn't make a dent in their market share. You could make one better than Coke and not make a dent because it wouldn't be Coke.
netsharc 17 hours ago||
I think his idea was to make a very close copy that costs very little compared to the finished product, to e.g. save cost of your own consumption (in the video it says he made a mixture that can be mixed with water and sugar to create 5000 liters of Coca-Cola)...
mattmaroon 11 hours ago||
I formulate, bottle, and sell beverages and I’ve used many of these ingredients. They are very potent, so yeah, the ingredients other than sugar are only a tiny fraction. They can be hard to source in small amounts sometimes though.

The non-nutritive sweeteners in their pure form are wild too. They are 2 + orders of magnitude sweeter than sugar and they come in very fine powders. You have to mask up when you work with them if you don’t want to taste vague sweetness for awhile.

proverbialbunny 9 hours ago|||
In Australia Coca-Cola isn't allowed to import coca leaf extract for flavor, so it tastes very similar to one of the 3rd party knock off brands you'll find in the US. In Australia everyone drinks Pepsi because of this. Without the coca leaf Coca-Cola tastes imo pretty terrible.

What makes this video revolutionary is he was able to find an alternative to the coca leaf that has a near identical flavor. If it's as good tasting as advertised this knowledge could empower 3rd party producers to make a coke drink that will finally rival Coca-Cola in popularity.

scoopertrooper 6 hours ago||
There is nothing true in this comment

* Importing coca-cola extract with coca extract is legal

* Coca Cola is significantly more popular than Pepsi in Australia

mnau 6 hours ago|||
My country is going to require a recyclable plastic bottles. That means bringing empty plastic bottles full of air into a shop, so a machine can squash them and send somewhere.

This will bring down marketshare significantly. It's incredibly hassle, which is likely the point. I am looking for good and cheap sodastream cola syrup, but they are very expensive.

toast0 15 hours ago|||
I would bet that supermarket brand cola would sell more than it does now if it were closer to Coke.

I think sooner or later, everyone who drinks a lot of soda will try the store brand as well as other colas that are non-belligerents in the cola wars. Some of them are ok, some are good for some mixed drinks, some are so bad I won't even finish the pack. Even though I prefer Pepsi, if I knew brand X was pretty close to Coke, I might choose it when it costs less and money is tight.

mattmaroon 11 hours ago||
Both Pepsi and Coke did make beverages people preferred. The Pepsi challenge did make some dent in their market share (but Coke is doing just fine) and New Coke ended up just selling more old Coke. So your story checks out
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