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Posted by lewww 10 hours ago

A battle over Canada’s mystery brain disease(www.bbc.com)
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patcon 7 hours ago|
I grew up in New Brunswick. It is a strange place politically.

I find it wild that the BBC never mentioned the most glaring underbelly of this:

New Brunswicks most significant employer for the past 100 years is Irving Oil & Irving Paper and Irving Forestry. They are different arms of a privately held family-run business, run by the descendants of the original founder (whose records are not as public as a traded company), in charge of the main industries of the province. They owned every newspaper in the province, and are known to be adversarial to any community paper, starting new papers just to drive out of business the small upstarts they don't own -- I've seen it play out in my community. People are literally afraid to criticize this family publicly, because they fund SO MUCH of the nonprofit sector. If you are trying to get a project off the ground, you can't look sideways at them or your project will be buried. And their papers certainly won't speak kindly of your criticism.

And most glaringly, one of their ex-Vice Presidents was premier of the province during this time.

So there is an extra level of concern that some locals have about the optics of the province shutting down the research.

The Irving family is highly manipulative of political affairs, and imho have held the province back for decades (e.g. influencing what schools get funded/built, to create the working stock that support their businesses, etc)

Kina 5 hours ago||
The Family That Owns New Brunswick: The House of Irving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9I-HY3wfVM
jacquesm 2 hours ago|||
This was one of the more surprising things to me when I lived in Canada: that there is so much of this. Depending on which region you are in you will either have state monopolies on the strangest things and/or a couple of families that have their fingers in just about every pie. And don't get me started on the telecommunications sector.
Waterluvian 1 hour ago||
I wonder if this is largely a function of geography and population. Do we see similar strange things in countries like Australia, Sweden, etc.? Kind of like a small town effect at the national scale.
subpixel 2 hours ago||
After reading about the mysterious firing and payoff of glysophate studying scientists it seems obvious what stone is going unturned here.
throwaway_9879 8 hours ago||
The answer is "nothing"

The only common factor between these patients is Dr. Marrero. It is notable that he is not the only physician who works in that clinic, but is the only one diagnosing this condition. The most likely cause is weak diagnostic skills for challenging patients.

Unfortunately, a majority of these patients likely have Functional Neurologic Disorder https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/conversion-di... , which is a horrible condition that accounts for a plurality of cases seen by most neurologists. This phantom diagnosis will probably make recovery almost impossible for those people. Acceptance of that diagnosis is the number 1 positive indicator for recovery.

Source: I live in the canadian maritimes, and know many neurologists.

ajb 7 hours ago||
This guy is probably chasing moonshine, but TBH "functional neurological disorder" sounds like one of those face-saving labels that doctors use when they don't have any idea what's going on.
sebasv_ 5 hours ago|||
It is not meant to save the doctors face. The very definition of FND is "doctors dont know what is wrong, but they acknowledge that your symptoms are real".

The point of giving it a name is in the second part. Its about explicitly acknowledging the limitations of medicine

rob_c 5 hours ago||
Which when it leads to abuse it's saving face and when it's incompetence it's saving face.

For a competent doctor it's used too let a patient know they're doing their job and an acknowledgement of symptoms.

Unfortunately to a _lot_ of the field "catch-all" "diagnoses" (in intentionally separating these labels). It's the same as diagnosing someone with chronic fatigue. It's diagnosing via exclusion.

The difference between chronic fatigue and brain disorders being that you're more likely to get someone looking to make a "name for themselves" diagnosing or curing the latter vs the former...

unsupp0rted 3 hours ago||||
“FND”… I bet they need to exercise, eat a balanced breakfast, sleep more and lower stress.

That’ll definitely pause the rapidly progressing dementia and loss of muscle control in patients in their 20s.

When doctors have no idea what something is and aren’t willing to keep trying diagnostics and interventions, it’s always “hey maybe get some more cardio and go easy on the peanut butter cups”.

sevensor 1 hour ago||
To be fair, this is also what I hear from my GP when I have no complaints at all. It’s not bad advice, but I think it’s what most doctors tell patients they deem basically healthy. Nobody gets hurt by eating fewer peanut butter cups and taking the dog for a longer walk.
VladVladikoff 1 hour ago||
On one visit to my doctor, where the issue was a sports related injury, my doctor told me to get more exercise. Obviously the advice is parroted so often she just blurted it out without thinking. She knows full well I train regularly and if anything get too much exercise.
hluska 6 minutes ago||
It’s strange - I had a heart attack almost eight years ago because of years of neglect and decided to do the opposite. I took it so far that I built an application to track everything I do and how it helps (or keeps me from) reaching my goals.

For the longest time all my data said exercise more. That was expected since I literally didn’t move all the way to a cardiac ward. Then all of a sudden it shifted to ‘exercise less, drink less coffee and sleep much more.’

I understand why doctors fall into that blind spot. It was perfect advice for me for a long time and took a lot of failure (and remarkably bad coping mechanisms) for me to figure out.

elric 7 hours ago||||
It's a diagnosis that's made only after excluding a wide range of other potential causes for the symptoms (like brain damage, structural abnormalities, strokes, seizures, MS, infections, ...).

It's not just a case of "we don't know", it's a case of "we've looked at everything under the sun and nothing fits".

Sounds like one of those things that needs more research.

ajb 41 minutes ago|||
Saying to a patient "you have X" can communicate three different things:

- a casual diagnosis: your problem is caused by C

- a syndrome: you have this collection of symptoms which often appear together, we don't know what causes it, we may have some treatments that can help.

The difference between these two is often not communicated well, but they are valid diagnostic categories.

There is a bigger problem with the third one:

- we have done some investigation and don't think further investigation is worth doing.

This may be a correct judgment, or it may not. But it is not a property of the patient. Essentialising it to the patient is incorrect and potentially dangerous. Especially as, it's rarely the case that they've "looked at everything under the sun". There are many reasons for stopping before that - some of them valid, but some not.

bell-cot 3 hours ago|||
> needs more research.

Yes, but it also sounds like the initial stages of "research" should be taxonomy. Starting with QC'ing current testing & diagnosis standards, to have more confidence that the data is reasonably clean.

expedition32 1 hour ago||||
What doctor claims that everything about the human body is known? Or that they can cure everything?
taurath 7 hours ago|||
“Not otherwise specified”
culi 8 hours ago|||
> The committee and the New Brunswick government also cast doubt on the work of neurologist Alier Marrero, who was initially referred dozens of cases by baffled doctors in the region, and subsequently identified more cases. The doctor has since become a fierce advocate for patients he feels have been neglected by the province.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/03/canada...

It seems to me that it's doctors reaching out to Marrero. It also seems odd that [these|this] illness(es) disproportionately affected young people.

Another article I just read stated Marrero reached out to get second opinions but was blocked.

> He claims he made arrangements in 2020-21 for "subject-matter experts" to travel to New Brunswick to evaluate patients, but the province "chose not to avail itself of this invaluable expertise."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-n...

RobotToaster 5 hours ago|||
FND is itself basically a trashcan diagnosis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastebasket_diagnosis
enceladus06 8 hours ago|||
Right, but what is causing the functional neurological disorder? Speaking as someone who has had alot of of chronic pain [CPPS] there is some sort of neuro issue going on but we don't know what it is. But "dementia, weight loss, unsteadiness, jerking movements and facial twitches" does seem like more than just neuro?
culi 7 hours ago|||
Well it depends if you believe the report or the doctor:

> In an October 2023 email exchange with another PHAC member, Coulthart, who served as the federal lead in the 2021 investigation into the New Brunswick illness, said he had been “essentially cut off” from any involvement in the issue, adding he believed the reason was political.

> Coulthart, a veteran scientist who currently heads Canada’s Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Surveillance System, did not respond to a request for comment by the Guardian. But in the leaked email, he wrote that he believes an “environmental exposure – or a combination of exposures – is triggering and/or accelerating a variety of neurodegenerative syndromes” with people seemingly susceptible to different protein-misfolding ailments, including Alzheimer’s disease and Parkinson’s disease.

> Coulthart argues this phenomenon does not easily fit within “shallow paradigms” of diagnostic pathology and the complexity of the issue has given politicians a “loophole” to conclude “nothing coherent” is going on.

> Coulthart’s email emerged more than a year after Marrero pleaded with the Canadian government to carry out environmental testing he believed would show the involvement of glyphosate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/03/canada...

CheeseFromLidl 6 hours ago|||

  dementia, weight loss, unsteadiness, jerking movements and facial twitches
This actually describes my benzodiazepine withdrawal symptoms. The only thing missing is the suicide-inducing tinnitus.
jacquesm 2 hours ago||
Tinnitus is terrible. There are days I'd rather be deaf, but I know a few people that are deaf and realize that that is just my idiot side looking for a quick solution to the problem ignoring the downsides (and I love music). It is so frustrating.
killerstorm 4 hours ago|||
Consider hypothetical scenario: some present in the environment toxin is causing migraine symptoms.

A doctor following diagnostic criteria might assign "migraine" diagnosis and provide standard recommendations for migraine management.

Another doctor seeing a quick uptick of patients with migraine symptoms will try to investigate toxins and infections.

Which doctor is doing something useful here?

jacquesm 2 hours ago|||
> Source: I live in the canadian maritimes, and know many neurologists.

That's a fairly weak claim for an appeal to authority.

yawnxyz 7 hours ago|||
and other times it turns out it IS something, e.g. alpha gal and all kinds of weird autoimmune disorders

this stuff is hard, because our tools suck and everything and everyone is an an unreliable narrator

jrflowers 7 hours ago|||
> The answer is "nothing"

Wait by “nothing” do you mean that there is no cause for the disease that the link you posted says has an unknown cause, or “nothing” do you mean that they don’t actually have anything wrong with them but you’re sharing a neat link about a disease that has an unknown cause?

I normally wouldn’t question an hour old throwaway that knows many neurologists, but what exactly are you applying the word “nothing” to here? You started with one statement, said that you don’t like a guy, and then wrote another statement that negates your first statement.

Like by “nothing” do you mean “I personally do not know, so my knowledge of what is causing this is nothing, but I want to share that I don’t like that one doctor”?

vasco 6 hours ago||
> The only common factor between these patients is Dr. Marrero

They all live in the same province too. If you're already wrong here it's hard to trust anything else

jacquesm 2 hours ago||
That's signal though: it points to an environmental factor.
ggm 9 hours ago||
Part of the concern is the structural opposition to clarity in a response. I don't know if this runs along party lines, or interpersonal relationships, or a state/national funding issue in public health, but something about how the problem was handled and public trust has gone badly wrong.

It's entirely possible as for cancer clusters there is no single causative agent. That stuff demands really careful thoughtful handling, not just brush-offs. Getting the public past personal experiences to epidemiology and subsequently things like mental health, is very hard.

Look at ME and what post covid syndrome showed.

closewith 9 hours ago|
What did ME and what post covid syndrome show?
ggm 8 hours ago||
The NIH/RECOVER programme and equivalents worldwide provide a path to treatment for ME/CFS. Prior to covid, substantive funding for ME research was too small to explore disease pathways and diagnostics. Many ME sufferers were told their disease was solely treatable with CBT, and lacked aetiology. Basically, they were denied any validation of having a disease.

The NB thing, right now is "no common cause" and probably would stay there, but the patients deserve some basic respect and their concerns should be acknowledged. Handling small cohorts is hard. A lot of public health funding could be wasted but then things like prion disease, AGS emerge. Tick Bourne diseases in Australia receive short shrift because "they have never been seen here" but there is no domestic testing regime, it's expensive, and treatment (long term antibiotics) run counter to general views on risk/reward issues.

I'm not a health professional. I have a lot of respect for public health and epidemiology, the corner cases interest me. For ME, covid provided "evidence" which public health could use. Maybe for the NB thing something similar will emerge. I don't think Morgellens is going to turn out to be in the same bucket, I do think this is a socially acquired mental illness but perhaps I am unfair?

pash 8 hours ago||
I’m not qualified to comment intelligently on what might be going on here, but I’d like to add some background color that the article lacks.

Creutzfeldt–Jakob Disease is a prion disease [0] for which there is no definitive diagnosis in vivo. A confident diagnosis can be made only after examining brain tissue under a microscope.

Prions are an unusual type of mis-folded protein that induce other proteins to take on a similar mis-folded shape when they come into contact with them. The mis-folded shape of the prion itself is what causes the mis-folding in adjacent proteins. It’s a chemical-bonding thing at the molecular level. It’s the shape of the prion that causes other proteins to take on a similar shape and become prions, etc.

Some prion diseases occur spontaneously (when a protein takes on a mis-folded configuration due to mis-transcription or random energetic impulses) and some are transmitted, typically by eating some part of an animal that contains prions, which then end up in your own body, inducing proteins in your body to take on prion configurations.

Prion diseases are the only known transmissible diseases that do not involve the replication of a pathogen’s genetic material in a host cell. The only known prion diseases affect nervous tissues, and in humans the only known prion diseases affect brain tissues.

I’m not an expert on prion diseases, but I’ve had a bit of a fascination with them since having to report on a bunch of USDA surveillance lectures on mad-cow disease (bovine spongiform encephalopathy, BSE) and to summarize a bunch of symposia on prion diseases in a previous life. The symptoms reported in the article sound very much like a prion disease, and the tests for CJD indicate that the doctors in the region suspect as much.

But we simply don’t have good tests for prion diseases in vivo. And prion diseases are not well understood in general, so it wouldn’t be surprising that a new one would present as something of a mystery.

It is also the case that I know very little about New Brunswick, but I will mention that prion diseases in humans are thought to be far more commonly acquired than spontaneous. The most common cause of acquisition is eating animals with endemic prion diseases; this is most often nervous tissue of venison, but rarely nervous tissue of cattle infected with BSE, which is present in Canada more than anywhere else (by a small margin).

It is also possible (but not likely) that a prion disease can arise de novo.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion_disease

gucci-on-fleek 6 hours ago||
> but rarely nervous tissue of cattle infected with BSE, which is present in Canada more than anywhere else (by a small margin).

I don't think that that's quite right. Over the past 15 years, only 3 cases have been reported in Canadian cattle [0], while Canada has over 12 million cattle at any given moment [1]. This organization claims that Taiwan, Greece, Ecuador, and Russia are all higher-risk [2].

You could certainly argue that cases in animals could be under-reported, but human cases are much harder to hide, and only a total of 2 cases have ever been reported [3]. Canadians eat a lot of beef, so this suggests that the reported numbers for cattle are probably accurate, otherwise the human numbers would be much larger.

However, a different neurological condition (Multiple sclerosis) is more common in Canada than anywhere else in the world [4], which might have some connection with the disease discussed in the article (but this is just a wild guess).

[0]: https://inspection.canada.ca/en/animal-health/terrestrial-an...

[1]: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=321001...

[2]: https://www.woah.org/en/disease/bovine-spongiform-encephalop...

[3]: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/diseases/cjd/dashboard.htm...

[4]: https://globalnews.ca/news/4191203/multiple-sclerosis-canada...

RobotToaster 5 hours ago||
There's estimates that 13% of Alzheimer's disease cases are misdiagnosed CJD.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15694685/

https://www.aimspress.com/article/10.3934/Neuroscience.2015....

macbr 4 hours ago|||
Creutzfeldt-Jacob can be tested for using the RT-QuIC test[1] where a positive result guarantees with near certainty that misfolded prions are present. But as the disease is defined via the physical changes in brain tissue only obtainable via autopsy a definite diagnosis is often only made after death.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_quaking-induced_conv...

wombatpm 6 hours ago|||
The first patient in this cluster to die should provide confirmation of CJD or other prion disease.

There is a theory that spontaneous CJD can be spread environmentally. Apparently particles of sufficiently small size (10 nm) can pass from the nasal cavity directly into the brain via the olfactory nerve. And there was a cluster of CJD victims who were rose gardeners. Rose gardening commonly use Bone and Blood meal to feed the roses, and is typically made from cattle unfit for consumption-ie downer cows/BSE. I may have read about it in The Coming Plague: Newly Emerging Diseases in a World Out of Balance Book by Laurie Garrett.

autoexec 5 hours ago||
They've done autopsies on 11 which pointed to various known conditions according to the article.
defrost 8 hours ago|||
If you've not seen it Kuru: The Science and The Sorcery is an interesting documentary of Mike Alpers time in PNG

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJrD1JcmUiE

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alpers

* https://stmarkscollege.com.au/news/remembering-professor-mic...

As a small person in the 1960s / 1970s I'd go along with my aunts on supply runs to PNG for him and others, I met his family in Perth in the early 1980s

thelastgallon 7 hours ago||
Thank you for the context.

> some are transmitted, typically by eating some part of an animal that contains prions, which then end up in your own body, inducing proteins in your body to take on prion configurations.

I wonder about this part. I thought consumed protein gets broken down into amino acids and new proteins are created later. Do prion proteins bypass this step?

pash 6 hours ago||
From what I understand, which is very incomplete, the leading hypothesis at the moment is that ingested prions are a bit hard to digest (because they’re malformed proteins), so they end up making it out of the gastrointestinal tract somehow, interacting with the nervous system via the intestinal lining or lymphatic system. Then they travel to the brain via nervous pathways, by-passing the usual blood–brain barrier.

But transmission of prions by ingestion is thought to be quite rare, as that mechanism suggests. Transmission by any means seems to be quite rare, even heritable transmission (e.g., vCJD). So that’s why it seems unlikely that whatever is happening in New Brunswick is CVD.

But if it’s not some minor mass hysteria, then maybe prions.

hedayet 8 hours ago||
I was diagnosed with a mysterious tachycardia last year, coincidental to this headline: while I was living in Canada.

At one point I checked into the ER with a resting heart rate around 200 BPM, and on some days my smartwatch couldn’t even detect a pulse because it was racing so fast.

I eventually recovered-though I still avoid wearing smart devices because seeing my heart rate triggers anxiety-but the whole period ended without a root cause and with me just being put on heartrate reducers for a while.

I really feel for anyone dealing with "mystery" medical conditions. It’s a tough place to be.

silisili 8 hours ago||
Ha, same! The first time I noticed it, coupled with palpitations, I thought I was dying and went to the ER. I swear nobody teaches you how to get older, so everything feels like something is going way wrong. They treated me like a baby, said avoid caffeine, and maybe see a cardio.

And I did. He was an old guy, didn't seem at all worried. He said he worked in pro sports and a surprising number of people have it, including top athletes, try not to worry too much about it. It's been nearly 10 years and I'm still kicking so I guess they were right.

But to this day I avoid smart watches/rings, because I know it'll be nothing but anxiety inducing alarms.

matwood 8 hours ago|||
Did you get an EKG? Do you have it documented somewhere this issue randomly occurring is your 'normal', that's easy to share if you have an actual cardiac event? The reason I ask is I have a sternum pectus, so my EKGs can be odd. My cardio said I'm fine, but I should keep my odd EKG on my phone to show any doctors if I have an actual cardio event. Otherwise they may end up chasing something that isn't the issue.
silisili 7 hours ago|||
Good idea. I don't, but hopefully I or my wife is around to tell them.

What's funny, or depressing depending on how you look at it... when I told my dad the terrible news, he said 'oh yeah, that's been happening to me for years.' Like I mentioned, nobody, including my parents, seem to teach you about getting old...which is terrible for anxious people like myself.

SyzygyRhythm 4 hours ago||||
Getting an EKG seems very prudent. I had one done for a non-heart related procedure, and afterwards was basically asked: - Ever have any heart events? Heart racing, palpitations, that kind of thing? - Yes, a few times a year I've noticed events like that. Resolves in a few minutes, though. - Well, your EKG shows a slurred delta wave. Sign of Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome. Might want to get that checked out.

I did, and it was. Fixed with ablation. No issues since. Other types of supraventricular tachycardia can also be cured with ablation.

Klonoar 46 minutes ago||
Minute I read the chain above I was looking for someone to point out WPW. It’s relatively easy to manage or cure once you catch it.
vasco 6 hours ago|||
Finally a useful application of a tattoo
maxbond 4 hours ago||
https://xkcd.com/933/
jemmyw 7 hours ago|||
I mean, I had a similar experience with the old doctor not being very worried when I had the same symptom. But when I raised that I was worried about having a heart attack and dying he was equally unworried about that "people die, don't worry about it". And yeah a surprising number of athletes also die suddenly from heart conditions, so I'm not sure I find that very reassuring.

In any case, they did diagnose SVT or some variant. But it pretty much went away, it seemed that getting dehydrated and/or alcohol was triggering it for me.

I actually find a smartwatch that monitors my heart rate very reassuring. I have suffered from anxiety in the past and if I think I'm having anxiety symptoms I can glance at my watch and it tells me everything is fine before I start stressing and making it manifest physically.

silisili 7 hours ago||
Dehydration is the biggest trigger for me as well, as far as I figured out.

Not to be crude, but if my pee isn't basically clear, I immediately start slamming fluids until it is again.

lostlogin 7 hours ago||
I’ll add fatigue/stress.

A long bike ride after a stressful week and off it goes.

An interesting observation from a cardiologist to me was that cyclist have 5x the rate of rhythm disorders compared to to general population.

But… ‘It’s hard to work out if that’s drug induced or not’.

Say maybe lay off the performance enhancing drugs.

M95D 7 hours ago|||
At 200 BPM the cause should be clearly visible on EKG. Examples:

https://en.my-ekg.com/arrhythmias/supraventricular-tachycard...

djmips 4 hours ago|||
It's has similarities to debugging intermittent problems in software which many of us are familiar with. Heisenbugs. Heisen-medical issues.
on_the_train 7 hours ago|||
Fun story to add: I can't get my heart rate measured. I get so nervous about it that I immediately double my heart rate. Of course it's impossible to communicate that with doctors. One even equipped me with a 24h heart monitor. Only to have my stupid brain go on overdrive and clock my heart at 120+ for the entire time, with 0 sleep. I literally fainted when getting ekg cables on me. I now have on record a heart condition without having one: I just get nervous from measurements lol
matwood 7 hours ago||
It's jokingly called 'white coat syndrome'. Any doctor who has a clue should understand this.
Retz4o4 8 hours ago|||
Covid.
femto 7 hours ago||
Or POTS, which can be caused by covid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postural_orthostatic_tachycard...

whatsupdog 8 hours ago||
How many COVID shots did you get? I noticed my resting heart rate go up after the first one. So I never got another one.
nucleardog 8 hours ago|||
When your immune system activity increases, generally so does your heart rate. It's fairly common to get sick and have an increased heart rate. A quick search for "heart rate when sick" will turn up a number of results explaining this, the mechanisms behind it, and more.

Sorry you missed out on simple, effective preventative health measures because of this misunderstanding.

hedayet 7 hours ago||||
I got two. But these events started to happen 4 years after my last shot.
konschubert 7 hours ago||||
An immune response to any trigger temporarily increases the heart rate.
Retz4o4 8 hours ago||||
Or Covid itself.
rsynnott 2 hours ago|||
COVID vaccines (and various other vaccines), often cause flu-like symptoms for a day or so; you should've been warned about this at the time. Pretty much anything that gives you a fever will boost your heart rate a bit.
CAP_NET_ADMIN 9 hours ago||
I think it would be worth it to investigate cyanobacteria toxins in water over there as they can cause similar symptoms. Next thing to check would be local sea food. I feel like glyphosate is a red herring here. Heavy metals could come from frequently eating local fish/shellfish.
unsupp0rted 3 hours ago||
> "I don't want to provide exact numbers of anything, but let's say it's an unusual number.”

Wait… what?

> But the government had decided against examining any of the patients in person

Wait… what?

cperciva 9 hours ago||
The only common factor between these patients is Dr. Marrero.
culi 7 hours ago||
It was a number of doctors that were baffled by their patients that referred them to Marrero. Besdies, he's not the only one convinced there's an environmental factor at play:

> In an October 2023 email exchange with another PHAC member, Coulthart, who served as the federal lead in the 2021 investigation into the New Brunswick illness, said he had been “essentially cut off” from any involvement in the issue, adding he believed the reason was political.

> Coulthart, a veteran scientist who currently heads Canada’s Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Surveillance System, did not respond to a request for comment by the Guardian. But in the leaked email, he wrote that he believes an “environmental exposure – or a combination of exposures – is triggering and/or accelerating a variety of neurodegenerative syndromes” with people seemingly susceptible to different protein-misfolding ailments, including Alzheimer’s disease and Parkinson’s disease.

> Coulthart argues this phenomenon does not easily fit within “shallow paradigms” of diagnostic pathology and the complexity of the issue has given politicians a “loophole” to conclude “nothing coherent” is going on.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/03/canada...

graeme 8 hours ago|||
Hadn't heard that angle, found this article worth a read. Apparently few patients had a second evaluation.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2165181/allier-marrero-...

jacquesm 2 hours ago|||
And the general area they live in.
SanjayMehta 8 hours ago||
He sounds like a homeopath and/or a quack.

I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with government grant money or other such funding.

gametorch 8 hours ago||
BMAA and domoic acid induce extremely similar symptoms and are certainly on the rise in the water there.

My theory is that this hypothesis is shut down by the fishing industry.

matsemann 8 hours ago|
Some questions I'm stuck with:

* are all the patients really sick or as sick as the symptoms he documents, or is it some kind of Munchausen induced or lied about by the doctor?

* Or are they all sick, they're just not getting the help they need because he wants to have a mystery disease?

* If they're all sick, is it then a higher prevalence than expected, so even if there is no mystery disease there is still something environmental or similar that should've been explored? Aka, is there a cluster, it's just a known disease?

oezi 7 hours ago|
The prevalence question isn't really answered in the article. If it is 500 cases in an area in which 1m people live then it might not really be a cluster. But if it is 500 cases out of a town of 40000 then it is quite something different.
nubinetwork 6 hours ago||
The entire province only has a population of 800-900k
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