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Posted by us321 22 hours ago

Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark(briarproject.org)
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syntaxing 15 hours ago|
Whoa, I was just mentioning in another post how I have my family member install bitchat just in case for emergencies. This is a very interesting alternative. With a travel router, I can significantly expand the chat radius compared to bitchat's purely BLE approach.

Edit: Boo, no iOS app

mmwelt 9 hours ago||
It doesn't look likely that there will ever be an iOS app[1], unless Apple makes key changes in the way iOS works[2].

[1] https://code.briarproject.org/briar/briar/-/wikis/FAQ#will-t...

[2] https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/685525

aaravchen 11 hours ago|||
You should definitely read the news about bitchat. It doesnt actually have basically any security or privacy from all the dozens of independent security audit findings. Jack even said it was vibe coded and never audited.
DANmode 14 hours ago||
Boo, native apps.
Dylan16807 13 hours ago||
If it's not native then we need to give powerful Bluetooth capabilities to web pages which isn't very good.
master-lincoln 6 hours ago|||
I don't know why you think it's not good, but it seems it will happen: https://webbluetoothcg.github.io/web-bluetooth/#introduction
DANmode 3 hours ago||
Right.

Downvote all you want (native app developers, is that you? <3), the web is here, has been here, and will continue to flourish.

> This specification takes several approaches to make such attacks more difficult:

> Pairing individual devices instead of device classes requires at least a user action before a device can be exploited.

DANmode 12 hours ago|||
People said the same thing about allowing the browser to trigger the microphone and the camera.

Use sane browser and or OS inherited permissions, and sane permission-promoting and gating,

and it’s a non-issue.

(Have you seen the prompts for Location, Microphone, WebUSB, and other “scary” features in the browser?

There’s really not much room for misinterpretation!)

giorgioz 10 hours ago||
How does Briar work when a government shuts down the internet?

It mentions Bluetooth and Wifi. My guess is that it tries to find other Briar devices connected to the same Bluetooth and wifi hotspot but what if the users are not on the Bluetooth/wifi? Does it share ALL messages encrypted with every Briar user in the hope later they come in contact with the final user?

giorgioz 10 hours ago|
Okay I saw the link below: https://briarproject.org/how-it-works/

So it seems it's more effective for blog posts because everyone is sharing the same blog post.

I'm not sure what happens with direct messages.

electronsoup 19 hours ago||
I'm curious about the iOS situation
celsoazevedo 19 hours ago||
I doubt iOS has a large market share in Iran.

Also, for something like this you don't want a platform that requires you to essentially use the App Store and nothing else.

dc396 16 hours ago||
iOS is around 10%, Android around 90%. (https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/iran/%20)
thomascountz 19 hours ago|||

   Briar is available on Google Play for devices running Android.
What situation do you mean?
arcanemachiner 18 hours ago||
The one you just summarized perfectly.
DANmode 16 hours ago|||
10% of devices or less.
bflesch 18 hours ago||
Unfortunately, due to safety reasons Apple cannot allow you to leave the walled garden, it is only in your own best interest. All communication services on our iOS devices require at least one US-based NSA-integrated middleman. /s
tamimio 14 hours ago|||
Don’t forget the horror stories of people relying on iCloud to have all their personal life there only to get locked out for silly reasons.
sp0ck 9 hours ago||
Google is no better here, I would say they are even worse since they are scanning your files actively. Remember story of Father who was asked by doctor to send his baby son private parts photos due to covid and Google not only locked him out but also notified Police. Even after getting statement from Law Enforcement there was no crime they didn't restore his access. Guy lost 20 years of live history due to algorithm.
bflesch 8 hours ago||
I feel the narrative on these kind of issues should be updated. We've been using their framing of "algorithms" but it is taking away all responsibility from the US tech workers who are actually designing and running Google.

The guy lost 20 years of life history due to US tech workers at Google wrongfully blocking his account and then ignoring his pleads for reactivation.

When US tech workers can show up to take cash and bonus payments from Google, they can also show up to take responsibility for Google's impact.

bb88 16 hours ago|||
Seriously though, given all the NSA has done: Could the NSA launch a "beach head" inside Apple?
hopelite 4 hours ago||
So this is a sabotage agency operation? I am old enough to remember the "Arab spring" "intelligence" operation. Are people really naive about these types of Sabotage Agency supported projects and entities, regardless of the interest and curiosity about the technology?

And no, I know these things as a matter of fact for reasons that will need to remain my own.

rexpop 3 hours ago|
Briar is a peer-to-peer encrypted messaging app that has received funding from multiple organizations, including the Open Technology Fund (OTF), which is financed by the U.S. government through the Agency for Global Media [1][2][3]. The OTF was established in 2012 as a program of Radio Free Asia, a U.S. government-funded nonprofit, and became independent in 2019 while continuing to receive congressional appropriations [3].

## Government Funding and Transparency

Briar openly discloses its funding sources on its website, listing support from the Open Technology Fund alongside other organizations like NLnet Foundation, the European Commission's Next Generation Internet programme, Access Now, Internews, and others [1][4]. This transparency is notable—the project does not hide its connection to U.S. government-funded initiatives. The OTF itself supports numerous widely-used internet freedom tools, with over two billion people worldwide reportedly using OTF-supported technologies daily [5].

## The Security Trade-off Question

Your skepticism about government-funded privacy tools reflects a legitimate concern that civil liberties advocates have raised [6]. However, Briar's open-source nature allows independent security audits—it was examined by Cure53 in 2017 and received positive assessments [2]. The project was developed by researchers and activists including Michael Rogers and Eleanor Saitta starting in 2011, with stated motivations around supporting freedom of expression and protecting activists and journalists [4][7].

## Technical Design vs. Political Origins

The technical architecture of Briar—peer-to-peer encryption, mesh networking capability, and operation over Tor—represents genuine attempts to resist surveillance regardless of funding sources [8]. Unlike some mesh networking apps that researchers have found vulnerable (such as Bridgefy, which had serious security flaws allowing impersonation and surveillance), Briar's design philosophy emphasizes decentralization [9]. The question becomes whether government funding necessarily compromises such tools, or whether open-source transparency and independent auditing can mitigate such concerns.

Citations: [1] About - Briar https://briarproject.org/about/ [2] Briar (software) - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briar_(software) [3] Open Technology Fund - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Technology_Fund [4] About Us - Briar https://briarproject.org/about-us/ [5] Trump's Reshuffling of US Foreign Aid Endangers Internet Freedom https://dgap.org/en/research/publications/trumps-reshuffling... [6] US: Fight Continues for Open Technology Fund's Independence https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/08/20/us-fight-continues-open-... [7] 3 - Concealing for Freedom – Mattering Press https://www.matteringpress.org/books/concealing-for-freedom/... [8] Briar Desktop got another round of funding https://briarproject.org/news/2022-briar-desktop-nlnet-fundi... [9] The privacy perils of using a mesh network – and why we urgently ... https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/the-privacy-peril... [10] Briar - NLnet Foundation https://nlnet.nl/project/Briar/ [11] Briar Darknet Messenger Client For Android Secures Chats With ... https://hothardware.com/news/briar-darknet-messenger-client-... [12] History · changelog · Wiki - briar https://code.briarproject.org/briar/briar/-/wikis/changelog/... [13] Mesh Networks Won't Fix Internet Security - CITP Blog https://blog.citp.princeton.edu/2014/04/22/mesh-networks-won... [14] Congressional Remit | OTF - Open Tech Fund https://www.opentech.fund/about/congressional-remit/ [15] Radio Free Asia | OTF - Open Tech Fund https://www.opentech.fund/security-safety-audits/radio-free-... [16] RCFP supports Radio Free Asia's lawsuit challenging funding cuts https://www.rcfp.org/briefs-comments/radio-free-asia-v-unite... [17] The Trouble With the Open Technology Fund https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/the-trouble-with-... [18] Trump restores funding for Radio Free Europe, Tech Fund - The Hill https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5217360-trump-a... [19] Trump administration under pressure to restore funding to groups ... https://kesq.com/news/national-politics/cnn-us-politics/2026... [20] Supporting the Open Technology Fund https://www.thefai.org/posts/supporting-the-open-technology-...

KnuthIsGod 14 hours ago||
Minneapolis needs this now.
freakynit 8 hours ago||
Aggregated discussions for easier reading: https://hn-discussions.top/briar-mesh-iran/
shevy-java 14 hours ago||
Just the default web-layout shown here is ... awful. How can people use that? That design is like 1990 ... but worse.
aaravchen 11 hours ago||
It's a manual for setup (in Farsi, you can click to other languages) that needs to be as accessible as possible to the least technology a literate people in the world as well as the ultra techy. Often people that have extremely limited data connection or no data connection as well. It has to be as simple as possible, and as clear as possible.

Check the main landing page and you can see it's a relatively modern site, they just gave a very restricted target audience the manual needs to be available for.

master-lincoln 6 hours ago|||
How could people in 1990 use their stuff? They just did.

Design is not so important for getting information across

bawolff 13 hours ago||
What's wrong with it?

I guess too many links at the beginning, but other than that it looks like your average website, just RTL.

31337Logic 20 hours ago||
Hooray! As a Rabin fan, I love Briar and so tremendously excited to be reading this. Thank you, all who are involved with this magnificent project!!
2OEH8eoCRo0 4 hours ago||
Can anyone vouch what is most useful to the protestors that we can support? What's actually being used? What do they need for communication? Does anyone there actually use Briar?

I worry that some of these things are well meaning but ultimately a waste of time like Elon's submarine doodad.

ts0711 7 hours ago|
still very risky
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