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Posted by skwee357 1 day ago

Dead Internet Theory(kudmitry.com)
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tvali 5 hours ago|
I have similar issue - I think in "dead internet", 1) people do not build custom forums for small social groups; 2) rule enforcement does not follow the structure of past where such small group followed deep conduct and 3) in large pools and aggregators of forums and discussion groups, the rules to be followed are like small bots: they cannot rely on the context. I personally use AI on my page for a good purpose, because we actually get on sync - but it's not giving up my creative work; it's proofreading, adding some references and facts and sometime very cocksure of it's style like "people won't read it".
rossdavidh 6 hours ago||
So, put together a few things:

1) to satisfy investors, companies require continual growth in engagement and users

2) the population isn't rocketing upwards on a year-over-year basis

3) the % of the population that is online has saturated

4) there are only so many hours in the day

Inevitably, in order to maintain growth in engagement (comments, posts, likes, etc.), it will have to become automated. Are we there already? Maybe. Regardless, any system which requires continual growth has to automate, and the investor expectations for the internet economy require it, and therefore it has or soon will automate.

Not saying it's not bad, just that it's not surprising.

ezekg 5 hours ago||
Spend a few days on Threads or on Instagram and you'll see the majority of viral posts on Threads are generated by AI, and the majority of descriptions on Instagram are generated by AI. It makes me incredibly sad, because I've used the internet for human connection my entire life. I always loved meeting new people, or reading other's perspectives. But it all just feels so ... empty ... now. I hope the pendulum swings the other way soon.
gmuslera 23 hours ago||
In one hand, we are past the Turing Test definition if we can't distinguish if we are talking with an AI or a real human or more things that were rampant on internet previously, like spam and scam campaigns, targeted opinion manipulation, or a lot of other things that weren't, let's say, an honest opinion of the single person that could be identified with an account.

In the other hand, that we can't tell don't speak so good about AIs as speak so bad about most of our (at least online) interaction. How much of the (Thinking Fast and Slow) System 2 I'm putting in this words? How much is repeating and combining patterns giving a direction pretty much like a LLM does? In the end, that is what most of internet interactions are comprised of, done directly by humans, algorithms or other ways.

There are bits and pieces of exceptions to that rule, and maybe closer to the beginning, before widespread use, there was a bigger percentage, but today, in the big numbers the usage is not so different from what LLMs does.

jaccola 11 hours ago||
But that’s not the Turing Test. The human who can be fooled in the Turing test was explicitly called the “interrogator”.

To pass the Turing test the AI would have to be indistinguishable from a human to the person interrogating it in a back and forth conversation. Simply being fooled by some generated content does not count (if it did, this was passed decades ago).

No LLM/AI system today can pass the Turing test.

zahlman 10 hours ago||
I've encountered people who seem to understand properly how the test works, and still think that current LLM passes it easily.

Most of them come across to me like they would think ELIZA passes it, if they weren't told up front that they were testing ELIZA.

callc 18 hours ago|||
Recently I’ve been thinking about the text form of communication, and how it plays with our psychology. In no particular order here’s what I think:

1. Text is a very compressed / low information method of communication.

2. Text inherently has some “authority” and “validity”, because:

3. We’ve grown up to internalize that text is written by a human. Someone spend the effort to think and write down their thoughts, and probably put some effort into making sure what they said is not obviously incorrect.

Intimately this ties into LLMs on text being an easier problem to trick us into thinking that they are intelligent than an AI system in a physical robot that needs to speak and articulate physically. We give it the benefit of the doubt.

I’ve already had some odd phone calls recently where I have a really hard time distinguishing if I’m talking to a robot or a human…

GMoromisato 18 hours ago||
This is absolutely why LLMs are so disruptive. It used to be that a long, written paper was like a proof-of-work that the author thought about the problem. Now that connection is broken.

One consequence, IMHO, is that we won't value long papers anymore. Instead, we will want very dense, high-bandwidth writing that the author stakes consequences (monetary, reputational, etc.) on its validity.

Avicebron 17 hours ago||
The Methyl 4-methylpyrrole-2-carboxylate vs ∂²ψ/∂t² = c²∇²ψ distinction. My bet is on Methyl 4-methylpyrrole-2-carboxylate being more actionable. For better or worse.
zahlman 10 hours ago||
Sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say with that.
optimalsolver 11 hours ago||
on one hand

on the other hand

Kelteseth 11 hours ago||
Are you implying that this was an AI bot comment?
zahlman 10 hours ago||
I think it was a grammar/idiom correction.
pants2 19 hours ago||
Are there any social media sites where AI is effectively banned? I know it's not an easy problem but I haven't seen a site even try yet. There's a ton of things you can do to make it harder for bots, ie analyze image metadata, users' keyboard and mouse actions, etc.
raincole 14 hours ago||
The said hypothetical social media, if gaining any traction, will be the heaven for adversarial training.
dpkirchner 4 hours ago|||
It's impossible, so I figure we may as well accept it when browsing rando's content (or just don't read any of it) and reject it when interacting with friends and family. What else can you really do?
152334H 16 hours ago|||
in effect, broadly anti-AI communities like bsky succeed by the sheer power of universal hate. Social policing can get you very far without any technology I think
Ronsenshi 12 hours ago||
I'm all for that, but how would this realistically work? Given enough effort you can produce AI content which would be impossible to tell if it's human-made or not. And in the same train of thought - is there any way to avoid unwarranted hate towards somebody who produced real human-made content that was mistaken for AI-content?
voidUpdate 13 hours ago|||
Apparently the vine restart will explicitly ban ai content. Thus providing an excellent source of untainted training data, but that's beside the point
happosai 15 hours ago|||
There are mastodon communities such https://mastodon.art/ where AI is explicitly banned.
rsynnott 13 hours ago|||
Not actually banned on Bluesky, but the community at large is so hostile to it that, generally, there's very little AI stuff.
8organicbits 17 hours ago||
I don't know of any, but my strategy to avoid slop has been to read more long-form content, especially on blogs. When you subscribe over RSS, you've vetted the author as someone who's writing you like, which presumably means they don't post AI slop. If you discover slop, then you unsubscribe. No need for a platform to moderate content for you... as you are in control of the contents of your news feed.
brunoborges 3 hours ago||
The explosion of fake people on Instagram (which has become just a front-door for Other Form of "social networks"), as well as fake videos in general, will likely push people away from the Internet as a means to interact with other people.

I think old school meetups, user groups, etc, will come back again, and then, more private communication channels between these groups (due to geographic distance).

kouru225 4 hours ago||
I’m in favor of the dead internet because the alternative was even worse.

About 10 years ago we had a scenario where bots probably were only 2-5% of the conversation and they absolutely dominated all discussion. Having a tiny coordinated minority in a vast sea of uncoordinated people is 100x more manipulative than having a dead internet. If you ever pointed out that we were being botted, everyone would ignore you or pretend you were crazy. It didn’t even matter that the Head of the FBI came out and said we were being manipulated by bots. Everyone laughed at him the same way.

Permit 4 hours ago|
> About 10 years ago we had a scenario where bots probably were only 2-5% of the conversation and they absolutely dominated all discussion.

This was definitively not the case on HackerNews.

f311a 23 hours ago||
> The use of em-dashes, which on most keyboard require a special key-combination that most people don’t know

Most people probably don't know, but I think on HN at least half of the users know how to do it.

It sucks to do this on Windows, but at least on Mac it's super easy and the shortcut makes perfect sense.

chao- 23 hours ago||
I don't have strong negative feelings about the era of LLM writing, but I resent that it has taken the em-dash from me. I have long used them as a strong disjunctive pause, stronger than a semicolon. I have gone back to semicolons after many instances of my comments or writing being dismissed as AI.

I will still sometimes use a pair of them for an abrupt appositive that stands out more than commas, as this seems to trigger people's AI radar less?

JKCalhoun 19 hours ago|||
I still use 'em. Fuck what everybody else thinks.
charcoalhobo 6 hours ago||
There's always the 3-em dash⸻a dastardly long strike.
chao- 4 hours ago||
That is fantastic.
kelseydh 20 hours ago||||
One way to use em-dash and look human is to write it incorrectly with two hyphens: --
myself248 20 hours ago||||
At this point I almost look forward to some idiot calling me AI because they don't like what I said. I should start keeping score.
rsch 21 hours ago|||
I can’t be the only one who has ever read https://practicaltypography.com/hyphens-and-dashes.html
kelseydh 21 hours ago||
This would have been very helpful three years ago, before I permanently stopped using em-dashes to not have my writing confused with LLM's.
JKCalhoun 19 hours ago||
I suspect whatever you try to do to not appear to be an LLM… LLM's also will do in time.

Might as well be yourself.

phito 6 hours ago||
Indeed. I found that recently, Claude has been using hyphens instead of emdashes.
numpad0 20 hours ago|||
I've been left wondering when is the world going to find out about Input Method Editor.

It lets users type all sorts of ‡s, (*´ڡ`●)s, 2026/01/19s, by name, on Windows, Mac, Linux, through pc101, standard dvorak, your custom qmk config, anywhere without much prior knowledge. All it takes is to have a little proto-AI that can range from floppy sizes to at most few hundred MBs in size, rewriting your input somewhere between the physical keyboard and text input API.

If I wanted em–dashes, I can do just that instantly – I'm on Windows and I don't know what are the key combinations. Doesn't matter. I say "emdash" and here be an em-dash. There should be the equivalent to this thing for everybody.

d4rkp4ttern 21 hours ago|||
First time I’m hearing about a shortcut for this. I always use 2 hyphens. Is that not considered an em-dash ?
keyle 20 hours ago|||
No it's not the same. Note there are medium and long as well.

That said I always use -- myself. I don't think about pressing some keyboard combo to emphasise a point.

PaulDavisThe1st 18 hours ago|||
The long --- if you're that way minded --- is just 3 hyphens :)
d4rkp4ttern 20 hours ago|||
Yep I realize this now, as I said in my other comment.
FridayoLeary 20 hours ago|||
You are absolutely right — most internet users don't know the specific keyboard combination to make an em dash and substitute it with two hyphens. On some websites it is automatically converted into an em dash. If you would like to know more about this important punctuation symbol and it's significance in identitifying ai writing, please let me know.
d4rkp4ttern 20 hours ago|||
Wow thanks for the enlightenment. I dug into this a bit and found out:

Hyphen (-) — the one on your keyboard. For compound words like “well-known.”

En dash (–) — medium length, for ranges like 2020–2024. Mac: Option + hyphen. Windows: Alt + 0150.

Em dash (—) — the long one, for breaks in thought. Mac: Option + Shift + hyphen. Windows: Alt + 0151.

And now I also understand why having plenty of actual em-dashes (not double hyphens) is an “AI tell”.

acidburnNSA 10 hours ago|||
If you have the compose key enabled it's trivial to write all sorts of things. Em dash is compose (right alt for me) ---

En dash is compose --.

You can type other fun things like section symbol (compose So) and fractions like ⅐ with compose 17, degree symbol (compose oo) etc.

https://itsfoss.com/compose-key-gnome-linux/

On phones you merely long press hyphen to get the longer dash options.

wincy 19 hours ago||||
And Em Dash is trivially easy on iOS — you simply hold press on the regular dash button - I’ve been using it for years and am not stopping because people might suddenly accuse me of being an AI.
FridayoLeary 20 hours ago|||
Thanks for that. I had no idea either. I'm genuinely surprised Windows buries such a crucial thing like this. Or why they even bothered adding it in the first place when it's so complicated.
jsheard 19 hours ago|||
The Windows version is an escape hatch for keying in any arbitrary character code, hence why it's so convoluted. You need to know which code you're after.
semilin 19 hours ago|||
To be fair, the alt-input is a generalized system for inputting Unicode characters outside the set keyboard layout. So it's not like they added this input specifically. Still, the em dash really should have an easier input method given how crucial a symbol it is.
kevin_thibedeau 17 hours ago||
It's a generalized system for entering code page glyphs that was extended to support Unicode. 0150 and 0151 only work if you are on CP1252 as those aren't the Unicode code points.
tverbeure 19 hours ago|||
Thanks for delving into this key insight!
bakugo 23 hours ago||
Now I'm actually curious to see statistics regarding the usage of em-dashes on HN before and after AI took over. The data is public, right? I'd do it myself, but unfortunately I'm lazy.
dang 21 hours ago||
Someone did just that!

Show HN: Hacker News em dash user leaderboard pre-ChatGPT - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45071722 - Aug 2025 (266 comments)

... which I'm proud to say originated here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45046883.

JKCalhoun 18 hours ago||
Ha ha, my first use of an em-dash on HN was 2016 which was the year I started my account.

I'm safe. It must be one of you that are the LLM!

(Hey, I'm #21 on the leaderboard!).

fuddle 4 hours ago||
TikTok is full of AI generated user content, multiple startups can generate AI content promoting products for a fee e.g https://creatify.ai , https://www.arcads.ai
jofzar 16 hours ago|
> The notorious “you are absolutely right”, which no living human ever used before, at least not that I know of > The other notorious “let me know if you want to [do that thing] or [explore this other thing]” at the end of the sentence

There's a new one, "wired" I have "wired" this into X or " "wires" into y. Cortex does this and I have noticed it more and more recently.

It super sticks out because who the hell ever said that X part of the program wires into y?

ggm 16 hours ago|
You are absolutely right is something some people in some variants of English say all the time.

It may grate but to me, it grates less than "correct" which is a major sign of arrogant "I decide what is right or wrong" and when I hear it, outside of a context where somebody is the arbiter or teacher, I switch off.

But you're absolutely wrong about youre absolutely right.

It's a bit hokey, but it's not a machine made signifier.

account42 12 hours ago|||
If AI generated content uses it significantly more than the average person then it is a machine signifier, even if some humans also use it.
ggm 12 hours ago||
It could add to a weighted score. That's about as far as I'd go personally.
account42 8 hours ago||
I'd say it depends on the situation and what the cost of false positives/negatives are for it. When you are looking at a practically infinite list of things to read and are looking to filter out AI garbage as not worth reading then filtering out the occasional typographical nerd is not that much of a problem.
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