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Posted by skwee357 1 day ago

Dead Internet Theory(kudmitry.com)
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fedeb95 17 hours ago|
"you are absolutely right" mught come from non native english speaker. For instance, in Italian you say something like that quite often. It's not common in english, but it's common for people to be bad at a second language.
kenty 17 hours ago|
> it's common for people to be bad at a second language

Non-native speaker here: huh, is "you are absolutely right" wrong somehow? I.e., are you a bad english speaker for using it? Fully agree (I guess "fully agree" is the common one?) with this criticism of the article, to me that colloquialism does not sound fishy at all.

There might also be two effects at play:

  1. Speech "bubbles" where your preferred language is heavily influenced by where you grew up. What sounds common to you might sound uncommon in Canada.
  2. People have been using LLMs for years at this point so what is common for them might be influenced by what they read from LLM output. So while initially it was an LLM colloquialism it could have been popularized by LLM usage.
popopo73 16 hours ago|||
>is "you are absolutely right" wrong somehow?

It makes sense in English, however:

a) "you are" vs "you're". "you are" sounds too formal/authoritative in informal speech, and depending on tone, patronising.

b) one could say "you're absolutely right", but the "absolutely" is too dramatic/stressed for simple corrections (an example of sycophancy in LLMs)

If the prompt was something like "You did not include $VAR in func()", then a response like "You're right! Let me fix that.." would be more natural.

kenty 16 hours ago||
Thanks for the thorough explanation, that, indeed, is a level of nuance that's hard for me to spot.

Interestingly, "absolutely right" is very common in German: "du hast natürlich absolut Recht" is something which I can easily imagine a friend's voice (or my voice) say at a dinner table. It's "du hast Recht" that sounds a little bit too formal and strong x[.

Agreed on the sycophancy point, in Gemini I even have a preamble that basically says "don't be a sycophant". It still doesn't always work.

d-lisp 13 hours ago||
> in Gemini I even have a preamble that basically says "don't be a sycophant". It still doesn't always work.

Using this kind of strategy eventually leads to the LLM recurrently advertising what it just produced as «straight to the point, no fluff, no bullshit». («Here is the blunt truth»).

Of course no matter how the LLM advertise its production, it is too often non devoid of sycophancy.

fedeb95 10 hours ago||||
I'm also a non native speaker. The point is, you tend to make grammatically correct phrases (mostly), but in a way that's not very common between native speakers. You're right that there are many factors at play. I think dismissing something as AI generated just because it uses common AI-generated strings is not correct. I'm speaking in general and not about the specific case.
account42 16 hours ago||||
It's a valid English phrase but it's also not unlikely that someone states something as a fact and then goes immediately to "you are absolutely right" when told it's wrong - but AI does that all the time.
Ekaros 16 hours ago||
It fails the basic human behaviour. In general humans are not ready to admit fault. At least when there is no social pressure. They might apologize and admit mistake. Or they might ask for clarification. But very rarely "You are absolute right" and go on entirely new tangent...
cannonpalms 12 hours ago|||
Just don't open a comment with

> You're absolutely right!

And you're good

ionwake 16 hours ago||
The only way I can tell, is if I see a "structure" to the edit. Usually its a tit for tat , exchange of words in a conversation, with clear spacing, as in too perfect. Followed by the scene, if it looks too oddly perfect ( like a line of foxes waiting to be fed, but all of them are somehow sitting in a line, even if there are differences between them, Ill notice. That is with well decades of age, Im not sure if that helps. But what is clear is even these "tells" will disapear in a few months.

I call this the "carpet effect". Where all carpets in Morocco have an imperfection, lest it impersonates god.

MarginalGainz 12 hours ago||
We are seeing this exact 'hostile information environment' play out aggressively in e-commerce search.

The 'Dead Internet' (specifically AI-generated SEO slop) has effectively broken traditional keyword search (BM25/TF-IDF). Bad actors can now generate thousands of product descriptions that mathematically match a user's query perfectly but are semantically garbage/fake.

We had to pivot our entire discovery stack to Semantic Search (Vector Embeddings) sooner than planned. Not just for better recommendations, but as an adversarial filter.

When you match based on intent vectors rather than token overlap, the 'synthetic noise' gets filtered out naturally because the machine understands the context, not just the string match. Semantic search is becoming the only firewall against the dead internet.

rhines 9 hours ago|
I'm not sure I agree - on the one hand yes, it's trivial to generate pages stuffed with keywords. But on the other hand Google is already interpreting search intent, and while this is okay for some things it is extraordinarily frustrating when trying to look for something specific.

Often I do want exact matches, and Google refuses to show them no matter what special characters you use to try to modify the search behaviour.

Personally I'd rather search engines continue to return exact matches and just de-rank content that has poor reputation, and if I want to have a more free-form experience I'll use LLMs instead.

amarant 20 hours ago||
> The notorious “you are absolutely right”, which no living human ever used before, at least not that I know of

If no human ever used that phrase, I wonder where the ai's learned it from? Have they invented new mannerisms? That seems to imply they're far more capable than I thought they were

kgeist 19 hours ago||
>If no human ever used that phrase, I wonder where the ai's learned it from?

Reinforced with RLHF? People like it when they're told they're right.

krige 18 hours ago||
There are many phrases that exist solely in fiction.
spragl 12 hours ago||
You are absolutely right!
l7l 14 hours ago||
How would one found a human verified internet without something like worldcoins orb? And even then you could not verify that the content is not created by ai.
bryanrasmussen 12 hours ago||
I think it's a little bit much to claim that no real human has ever used the phrase "You are absolutely right", it seems more likely that a lot of people have, so much, that the AI got trained to use it when its programming suggested it was the right time to be obsequious.
projektfu 10 hours ago|
I have only said it as part of an apology.

"We have been waiting 20 minutes!"

"You're absolutely right, and I apologize. We will try to schedule better in the future."

I have never said it to someone with whom I was having a regular discussion.

OTOH, I used to overuse em dashes because the Mac made proper typesetting possible. It used to be the sign that someone had read the very useful The Mac is not a Typewriter by Robin Williams.

neilv 22 hours ago||
Sunday evening musings regarding bot comments and HN...

I'm sure it's happening, but I don't know how much.

Surely some people are running bots on HN to establish sockpuppets for use later, and to manipulate sentiment now, just like on any other influential social media.

And some people are probably running bots on HN just for amusement, with no application in mind.

And some others, who were advised to have an HN presence, or who want to appear smarter, but are not great at words, are probably copy&pasting LLM output to HN comments, just like they'd cheat on their homework.

I've gotten a few replies that made me wonder whether it was an LLM.

Anyway, coincidentally, I currently have 31,205 HN karma, so I guess 31,337 Hacker News Points would be the perfect number at which to stop talking, before there's too many bots. I'll have to think of how to end on a high note.

(P.S., The more you upvote me, the sooner you get to stop hearing from me.)

petermcneeley 21 hours ago||
HN has survived many things but I dont think it will survive the LLMs.
GMoromisato 22 hours ago|||
I thought you were going for 2^15-1 and an LLM messed up the math.
neilv 21 hours ago||
31,337 can be the stopping point for active commenting.

32,767 can be the hard max., to permit rare occasional comments after that.

bigmeme 22 hours ago||
Holy based
snickerer 17 hours ago||
The Internet got its death blow in the Eternal September 1994.

But it was a long death struggle, bleeding out drop by drop. Who remembers that people had to learn netiquette before getting into conversations? That is called civilisation.

The author of this post experienced the last remains oft that culture in the 00s.

I don't blame the horde of uneducated home users who came after the Eternal September. They were not stupid. We could have built a new culture together with them.

I blame the power of the profit. Big companies rolled in like bulldozers. Mindless machines, fueled by billions of dollars, rolling in the direction of the next ad revenue.

Relationships, civilization and culture are fragile. We must take good take of them. We should. but the bulldozers destroyed every structure they lived in in the Internet.

I don't want to whine. There is a learning: money and especially advertising is poison for social and cultural spaces. When we build the next space where culture can grow, let's make sure to keep the poison out by design.

chickensong 11 hours ago||
While I trust the author had good intentions, this blog post is about HN and some common themes and emotions, which was then posted to HN, resulting in more of the same.

There may be some irony to be found in this human centipede.

mrtx01 19 hours ago|
"You are absolutely right" is one of the main catchphrases in "The Unbelievable Truth" with David Mitchell.

Maybe it is a UK thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unbelievable_Truth_(radio_...

I love that BBC radio (today: BBC audio) series. It started before the inflation of 'alternative facts' and it is worth (and very funny and entertaining) to follow, how this show developed in the past 19 years.

dijit 18 hours ago|
You’re absolutely right, we use that phrase a lot in the UK when we emphatically agree with someone, or we’re being sarcastic.
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