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Posted by Tomte 3 hours ago

Cows can use sophisticated tools(nautil.us)
70 points | 40 comments
Sharlin 2 hours ago|
The Guardian has a photo and a video: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2026/jan/19/back-scratch...
erickhill 1 hour ago|
OK I think all pasture raised cows should be given nice little wooden brooms going forward.
ksymph 1 hour ago||
It seems like the lesson we keep learning, no matter the proxy we use for intelligence, is that there is nothing that fundamentally sets humans apart from other animals (or even, in some ways, AI) other than the degree and scope of our intelligence.

While I'll never begrudge science that points out the obvious -- that's often where the most value comes from -- this particular avenue is always a little funny to me, as it often belies an expectation that other animals are unable to do these things by default.

IAmBroom 42 minutes ago||
The primal separation of man and animals has not changed since the invention of the device...

Animals fear motorized vacuum cleaners.

hugeBirb 31 minutes ago||
I fear a motorcycle blasting down my street at 10pm. What's the difference. Once my cats realized the robo vac won't hurt them they don't even move for it anymore... Seems intelligent to initially be terrified of something and update your perception of it.
lo_zamoyski 33 minutes ago||
> It seems like the lesson we keep learning, no matter the proxy we use for intelligence, is that there is nothing that fundamentally sets humans apart from other animals

Except it doesn't show that.

The reason people make this judgement is because they don't have a coherent or clear definition of "intelligence". Nothing has been undermined, except in those who took the view that animals are dumb automatons. That's more of a legacy of modernism and the desire to gain "mastery over nature" more than anything else.

The essential feature of human beings - from which the rest of human nature and its consequences follow, including our social nature - is rationality. This entails an intellect, which is the abstracting faculty. It is the intellect that makes language possible, because without the capacity to abstract from particulars, we could not have universal concepts and thus no predicates. Language would be reduced to the kind we see in other animals.

For clarity, the functions of language are:

1. expressive: expressing an internal state or emotion (e.g., a cry of pain)

2. signaling: use of expressive to cause a reaction in others (e.g., danger signals)

3. descriptive: beyond immediate sensation; describes states of affairs, allowing for true or false statements

4. argumentative: allows critical analysis, inference, and rational justification

Without abstraction, (3) and (4) are impossible. But all animal activity we have observed requires no appeal to (3) and (4). Non-human animals perceive objects and can manipulate them, even in very clever ways, but they do not have concepts (which are expressed as general names).

Could there be other rational animals in the universe? Sure. But we haven't met any. And from an ontological POV (as opposed to a phylogenetic taxonomic classification), they would be human, as the ontological definition of "human being" - "rational animal" - would apply them.

tjoff 23 minutes ago|||
Not sure if it qualifies but even bees have a dance that describes the direction, distance and quantity of nectar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waggle_dance

Feels like a lot of animals just lack ability to articulate. Which might evolve if they had a need but feels like an chicken-and-egg problem more than anything?

ksymph 18 minutes ago|||
Perhaps ironically, I am having trouble distilling your abstractions into concrete concepts.

A dog or chimpanzee can easily understand conceptual ideas such as 'walk', 'play', 'food', and so on, even through language. Not to say humans don't process these in different ways, and are able to manipulate them as abstract concepts as other species generally cannot, but in isolation it seems the fundamental principles can be widely accessed. What sort of test might you propose that demonstrates the difference you describe?

shevy-java 23 minutes ago||
Often one has to translate things into understanding by the animal at hand.

Monkeys learn quickly. Cows oddly enough can also learn quickly in social cohesion. So one cow figures something out; the others often quickly adapt and learn too. So the main step is the initial hurdle to overcome. There are lots of videos about this on youtube, starting with simple ones such as scratch-objects where cows rub against and it helps them scratch areas they can not easily reach on their own.

water-data-dude 32 minutes ago||
I never interpreted the Cow Tools strip as saying "cows are too dumb to use tools", but more along the lines of "if cows could create tools could we even fathom their use?" - kinda like the Borges story, Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge[0]. On the other hand, I read The Far Side when I was small and didn't really have the scientific chops to get a lot of the humor, so maybe I cemented an incorrect interpretation.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Emporium_of_Benevole...

tangledknots 1 hour ago||
It's noteworthy to me that every scientific discovery is that non-human animals are "more clever than we thought" - and never ever the other way around.
functionmouse 1 hour ago|||
I've seen a couple "Koalas are even dumber than we thought" articles

Poor lads really are exceptionally dumb

lo_zamoyski 31 minutes ago|||
It would be uninteresting. Think of almost any headline where some species is described as "dumber than previously thought". Not especially interesting.
fellowniusmonk 1 hour ago||
Koalas are the one that springs to mind. I believe the test result was "does not recognize their only food source (eucalyptus leaves) when served plated."
harimau777 1 hour ago||
Cows watch sunsets man!
shawn_w 57 minutes ago||
Cows have best friends.
goopypoop 1 hour ago||
cows also seem to enjoy music
buildsjets 3 hours ago||
Wikipedia has illustrations of the tools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tools
DoctorOW 2 hours ago|
I knew it.
worik 25 minutes ago|
Watch out. It has been predicted... https://youtu.be/FQMbXvn2RNI?si=-Y6mo-3mWbpbZtVc
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