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Posted by dbushell 22 hours ago

Proton Spam and the AI Consent Problem(dbushell.com)
481 points | 341 commentspage 6
Quothling 21 hours ago|
Lumo will likely be the thing that moves me away from Proton. I've been pretty happy with it, ever since they made the photo's app actually have shareable libraries it's been just as good as any other Google Mail/Photos/Files thing I've used. The password manager plugin for firefox isn't as good as bitwarden, but when you're paying it's part of the package so... If I have to encrypt my files before I use the drive, and they continue to build their AI spy into everything, though, then what is the point really?

Anyway, it is sort of hilarious to report Proton as spam to Proton.

TonyStr 21 hours ago||
It's bewildering to see privacy-focused companies like Proton and DDG jump on the AI train. I guess privacy is just a vehicle for attracting early adopters, and all those principles fall apart once their user base becomes large enough.
fundatus 19 hours ago||
What's the issue with a privacy-focused AI assistant that doesn't store all your data?
direwolf20 18 hours ago||
And completely optional.
neobrain 15 hours ago||
> I've been pretty happy with it, ever since they made the photo's app actually have shareable libraries it's been just as good as any other Google Mail/Photos/Files thing I've used.

Glad to hear you found a service that's useful to you!

> If I have to encrypt my files before I use the drive, and they continue to build their AI spy into everything, though, then what is the point really?

That would be concerning indeed, but there is no such integration today and it seems unlikely they would integrate non-local models into drive. Even on the mail side, any use of LLMs is optional, opt-in, and limited to text production (i.e. no training on your inbox).

Vaslo 10 hours ago||
Exactly the kind of whiny blogger I don’t want using Proton products with his squeaky wheel nonsense. Move over to Tutanova or go back to Gmail. What a trivial thing to whine about.
HackerThemAll 20 hours ago||
I lost all respect for Proton. They've been running ragebait ad campaign on Facebook, maybe also on other media, I don't know that, with that rage especially targeted at Google, spreading fake information and hate.
pelario 19 hours ago|
could you tell more details or links about that ?
trvz 11 hours ago||
Proton is frankly a bad company and this is unsurprising.
alex1138 16 hours ago||
Funnily, Proton was supposed to be the anti-Google, wasn't it? Maybe some of "Proton's not in the US, so not subject to scary NSA warrant canaries"

Except... Gmail has handled spam pretty well? And at least if you do get Spam they actually tell you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6090712

alphadelphi 19 hours ago||
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" - Robert J. Hanlon

If you ever tried to setup a martech stack you konw what a PITA is to comply GDPR without any error

bflesch 21 hours ago||
Ever since my first interaction with their support is was clear that they DGAF about usability improvements that I'd care about. Time to build an alternative I guess.
unethical_ban 21 hours ago||
File under "some business bro had this classified in the wrong newsletter". I don't see the big deal and I don't extrapolate this into some systemic disease with marketing emails.
direwolf20 18 hours ago||
They do it every single newsletter?
unethical_ban 13 hours ago||
aaand I was right (allegedly). Account claiming to be Proton CTO says it was a technical screw-up.
lighthouse1212 19 hours ago|
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