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Posted by tietjens 1 day ago

Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet(netzbremse.de)
623 points | 304 commentspage 2
dzogchen 1 day ago|
I unfortunetely have Deutsche Telekom as my ISP and I can confirm that in the evening websites that use Cloudflare have a latency of one minute or simply do not load at all.

I don’t understand why anyone that serves the German market would use Cloudflare. Regardless of who is at fault, you are losing a lot of customers that way.

kybernetyk 1 day ago||
>Regardless of who is at fault, you are losing a lot of customers that way.

Don't know. Germans are stingy. I'm German, I live in Germany yet I don't even localize my software to German anymore because German downloads wouldn't convert in any meaningful way. (Even when I had German localization).

It's just anecdotal of course but every other dev I talked to would confirm this unless they had some very germany-specific product.

stanac 1 day ago|||
One minute latency? Sound like worse experience than dial-up.
lwde 1 day ago||
Just switch to 1und1 with good peering (:
the8472 1 day ago||
Do 1&1 customers get CGNAT or a native v4 address? I have had issues with the AFTR's port mapping tables running full when I was on Unitymedia coax.
arximboldi 1 day ago|||
They switched me to CGNAT in my last speed upgrade, but I wrote to them about it and they moved me to native v4 straight away.

Their service is good on a technical level but they have the most aggressive and obnoxious sales reps. They scammed me twice with open lies on the phone (probably abusing also the fact that german is not my mother tongue) and had to fight for ages with their customer service later to get the issue resolved.

If you wanna go with them, buy on their website and hang up if anyone from 1und1 ever calls. They are official 1und1 reps and they will prove it you yet behave like scammers.

xioxox 1 day ago|||
I get proper IPV4 and IPV6 addresses with Easybell on VDSL. I've been with them a long time and they've been pretty good.
RHab 1 day ago||
I just ended my contract with them. I could not reach my own raspberry pi Homepage which uses cloudflare. They called me and asked why I ended the contract, I told them about cloudflare, but that my cancellation is final, and magically my Homepage now works again!
andreldm 1 day ago||
I have a contract with a smaller German ISP (Pyur), they do throttling too, uploading to Backblaze quickly gets capped to a few hundred bytes, sometimes the connection gets aborted. Using Mullvad or Tor gets around that. I considered switching to Telekom or Vodafone, gave up because they are even more expensive and now this.
fbcpck 1 day ago||
I literally could not ssh into several of my servers since last week, and could only do so through my berlin server.

Yes, I have to rent a local server to proxy all my home network through it, otherwise it is unreliable or outright does not work. It is absurd.

nottorp 1 day ago||
DT owned for a long time what remained of the former state phone operator in Romania.

They were the only provider that hijacked DNS lookup failures to redirect to their own page.

They're gone out of this market now, fortunately.

zhouzhao 1 day ago|
Glad to hear again, that Romania is living in the future of the Internet.
nottorp 1 day ago||
It looks good still, but we're down to 3 major providers. The future may bring entshitification yet...
sighansen 1 day ago||
The only ISP I have access to is Deutsche Telekom and I often have problems with websites loading slowly. A few more years before other ISPs can provide internet in my new development area. I can't understand, why they are allowed to have a monopoly in some areas.
zhouzhao 1 day ago|
>why they are allowed to have a monopoly in some areas

because no other ISP can enter for a reasonable price. Germany should have made the infrastructure open-access for all providers, just like they did in Switzerland.

xg15 1 day ago||
I like the subtle bit of trolling they did with the page color: DT had registered that shade of magenta as a trademark, made it a core part of their brand and generally was VERY vocal in public about "owning" that color. [1, 2]

Though more recently they seem to have lost that protection. [3]

So if that page now deliberately uses the "Telekom color" to call out their bad behavior, that's a statement on its own.

[1] https://adage.com/article/digital/t-mobile-says-it-owns-excl...

[2] https://www.exali.de/Info-Base/magenta-markenstreit (in German)

[3] https://chiever.nl/en/blog-en/t-mobile-loses-the-protection-...

mjlee 1 day ago|
That's the first thing I saw too. dataJAR (an Apple MDM service company in the UK) were targetted in the UK for using a different shade of pink in a different industry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-44107621

cheese_van 1 day ago||
My offhand impression is that when I was in Germany, consumers were oddly suspicious of the Internet in general and very suspicious of social media in particular. That suspicion was somewhat translated into a lackadaisical attitude about service quality. Perhaps that attitude is finally changing because DT simply won't care unless there is a sufficiently large enough vocal public to force the issue.
syntaxing 1 day ago||
I’m on Comcast and I strongly believe they’re selling my data to brokers from the targeted ads I see. I paid for WARP+ from cloudflare and the targeted ads dropped noticeably.
anthonj 1 day ago|
Germany always surprise me with continuous contradiction in their society.

Largest economy in eu but very unstable and riddled with wierd burocracy.

Strongest worker protection, but very large amount of lobbysm.

Most advanced railway system in eu, transformed into a joke by interdiction from said lobbies.

You have to pay a "radio tax" to help funding press and keep it independent, but then fuck net neutrality.

And I could continue with more point, but I don't want to get too political.

blkhawk 1 day ago||
Some of these contradictions are fractal - i.e. contradictions all the way down :) For example the independent Radio and TV isn't that independent actually but in practice is. Partially this is because of the insecurities of the times these institutions were setup in making people in power unsure about true independence - so they wanted a control mechanism. The end result is an institution that is deeply coupled into the government but that has at the same time to pretend to be independent to such a degree most people inside it just act that way and its output is sorta neutral except in very slight tonal shift ways and in some individual cases. instances that are very German-culturally local? This is very hard to explain correctly but easy to just explain it wrongly - Let me do that now and translate it to American.

Imagine an institution being dependent and biased in exactly the opposite way that fox news is independent and balanced. Imagine a government-independent institution where you join a controlling organ and after sworn in you are invited to 2 after-meetings at the same time. One invitation comes in a red letter the other in a blue letter. Yet everybody has to be independent because that is what it is supposed to be. Germans can be very very stubborn about that.

this is sorta incomplete and wrong but I think gets you the taste for the setup? If not complain in the replies :)

cardanome 1 day ago||
It is independent in the sense of not being partial to any specific political party. Still the media is very biased towards the status quo and the state. For example you will not find any serious criticism of Israel in any public or private mainstream media in Germany.
dgxyz 1 day ago|||
The one that always gets me is security and privacy paranoid and lecture me on the Stasi and using Apple phones and how they aren't repairable but then goes and uses unpatched rotten old Android they can't fix anyway and sticks fingers in ears. Nearly every German I know does this and I know a lot of Germans as half my family is German and my ex-partner is German.
integralid 1 day ago|||
I'll bite (I'm not German but I'm close culturally):

* Old Androids are not repairable because they're shit, not because a megacorp works hard to make repair impossible

* Old Androids may be hacked by a pegasus-like software (just like most new smartphones anyway), but at least the operating system does not lock you into its own closed ecosystem.

You may disagree, and correctly, because it's in part irrational, but many Europeans just dislike Apple and consider Android a more open/free ecosystem.

ahoka 1 day ago|||
I have bought an Android phone and I couldn’t even change the font used or use an ad blocker on the browser it comes with. It comes with advertisements on the home screen and if I disable them half of the system functions stop working. Seems it’s not open at all. Sent it back the next week. </rant>
ThrowawayTestr 1 day ago||
Buy a Samsung not the cheapest possible device from a random Chinese seller
dgxyz 1 day ago|||
I'd believe there was some truth in that if they used any open apps but they just lock themselves into Google's ecosystem instead. All their data is siloed in some US cloud.

If you run like that it doesn't matter what phone you use and your privacy and openness arguments are moot.

kuschku 20 hours ago||
But people don't use the Google cloud offerings that much, because they're far too expensive anyway :P
heraldgeezer 1 day ago|||
>unpatched rotten old Android

Based.

Fsk Apple. Soy aah

borlox 1 day ago|||
Do you know similarly large, democratic societies without contradictions?
anthonj 1 day ago||
my impression is that other countries like Italy or France are much more consistent in what they are bad or good at.

But it's possible it's just my personal bias.

fc417fc802 1 day ago||
I have the same (possibly mistaken) impression of Germany as an outsider. The US is also remarkably contradictory in its supposed values. I think it would be interesting if there were a semi-objective measure of this quality.
f1shy 1 day ago||
Maybe that is the point. The contradiction about what you expect, and reality. Like in Italy is expected to go and find out this or that is messy. But Germany has a strong image of responsibility, seriousness, efficiency, etc. And when you see closer, is not.

Also, what I'm not sure, I'm trying to find out, if there was a change in the last 1 or 2 decades, or was always like that. Like now, except for things like you here a siren and cars open like Moises opened the water, in many other things, seems to be not more organized that any other country. Hell, sometimes compared with Bangladesh seems to be lagging behind (point example: birth certificates)

ekianjo 1 day ago|||
> Most advanced railway system in eu

France is certainly better

direwolf20 1 day ago|||
I believe Germany's is much more interconnected while France's mostly goes from Paris to other places. Mesh versus star topology.
hdgvhicv 1 day ago||
That’s be a use Germany economy is far more distributed (5 or so economic centres) across the country where as counties like France and U.K. have one centre, and places like Spain and Italy two (Madrid/Barca and Rome/Milan)
hermanzegerman 1 day ago||||
Certainly not. Nobody wants to book his train 2 weeks in advance to reserve a seat, because otherwise it's "sold out". Also Commuter Rail (TER) is a total Joke outside of Ile-de-France. Sometimes also even with mandatory reservation. I think SNCF confuses itself with an Airline
SvenL 1 day ago||||
Yes, as a German I can agree.

However, I remember the anecdote of how France has two different companies for the trains and trainstations. The first ordered trains which were a little bit to wide for the trainstations, due to a miss communication.

When I read about this, I thought „this could have been Germany too.“

f1shy 1 day ago|||
In fact German ICEs are limited in speed in Germany because of the rails, when they cross to France go faster.
u8080 1 day ago||
>You have to pay a "radio tax" to help funding press

I mean, same as in most countries taxpayers effectively sponsor government propaganda.

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