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Posted by andsoitis 1 day ago

First, make me care(gwern.net)
764 points | 236 commentspage 2
isoprophlex 1 day ago|
This article succeeded spectacularly in making me want to know all there is to know about medieval Venice, that's for sure.
skybrian 1 day ago|
It's really too bad it's not a quote from an actual book.
davidw 1 day ago||
The actual story of how cod from Norway came to be a thing in the Serenissima Repubblica di Venezia is pretty interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Querini
otikik 1 day ago||
Careful with this advice. If you max it out you end up with

"You won't believe the weird trick that the city of Venice did to feed itself"

julianeon 23 hours ago|
This article is just a slightly upscale version of the million "YouTube hooks" videos you can find on, well, you know. Down to the "create a gap" advice.

Once upon a time "one weird trick" was good advice too, before it got ran into the ground.

directevolve 2 hours ago||
In this era, it takes credibility to grab my attention before I even care about your promise of benefits.

It’s not “make me care.” It’s “make me believe and care, every step of the way.”

huhkerrf 1 day ago||
"First, make me care" is exactly right. But I also know that anytime you have narrative non-fiction on here, someone without fail argues that the author didn't get straight into the details.
furyofantares 1 day ago||
My personal distaste for typical narrative presentations of interesting information is how often the first interesting details come 4-5 paragraphs in and then are slowly peppered from there. Really doesn't seem at odds with the advice here which can easily be applied to the opening sentence or paragraph, and title.
acc077877 1 day ago|||
Someone may have already been curious about the topic beforehand. I’m guessing they already have some kind of itch or curiosity. For example, someone who is interested in reading a dense technical textbook that gets straight into the details likely has a preexisting question waiting to be answered, which is why they care. That’s what motivates them to keep reading, even when the material jumps directly into the details
some_furry 1 day ago|||
Know your audience: Technical people want the details.

Most people aren't technical.

sublinear 1 day ago||
This is why good writing on the web is broken up into multiple posts split by concern, and with links to the others at the top of the article.

The real problem is when they SEO the shit out of it and replace those links with irrelevant trash meant to steal your attention and people only want to share the "make me care" posts.

The writers stop bothering even posting details when they have them. They bury the lede because it's what the "make me care" crowd forces them to do.

dvrp 1 day ago||
Care is the most important trait of people who make great things; it's not money or time. Is not even skill.

I was interviewing a candidate yesterday and I noticed that a project inside their personal website was not working. I told him my opinion on care and he said that he hasn't had the time to deploy it, since he's been working on it for 2 weeks already and it was working on his local machine.

A few hours after the interview, the project was online.

The bitter pill of realizing the importance of care is that this applies not just to literary works, like Gwern's case, but it also applies to any creative endeavor: writing, music, drawing, and yes, software engineering.

That CLI tool without a tutorial. That product with a confusing sign-up flow. The purchase without a confirmation dialog such that I don't feel I was just scammed.

It's all the same. Lack of care.

I've also noticed that when caring is there, skills follow.

teiferer 20 hours ago||
> We could easily have a 2026 LLM deliver high-quality editing advice to fix this up extensively, but it would still be mediocre.

This seems to suggest that a human needs to be in the creative loop, but that could be short sighted. LLM training has humans in the loop which optimize for not being bored. That's a reason for LLM texts typically being recognizeable because at the current stage they are a little too simplistically flashy. But give it a few iterations and the machine will excel humans at catching their attention, i.e., making them care.

As others wrote: Tiktok is already excellent at that. While the content in there still has humans in the loop, the choice what to show to whom and when is already entirely mechanical.

smeej 14 hours ago||
I found it really ironic that the author started with something attention-grabbing about a topic completely unrelated to his point, but then made a series of such mundane statements to begin his own writing that I didn't care enough to go past his first screen. He didn't make me care about why I should make people care.
ziofill 8 hours ago||
I’m from Venice and it’s heartwarming to see someone from a different country/culture so into the history of Venice <3
raincole 16 hours ago||
Is this a good advice? Yes.

And what would happen if everyone followed it? Clickbait titles like "the third one will surprise you" and TikTok.

miki123211 19 hours ago|
What I find extremely off-putting and overused is the pattern of making you care about an article by saying something about the person being interviewed, usually related to the interview itself. Think "he was a balding man[...] drinking his matcha latte[...]" It's always something which has zero bearing on the situation in question.

Whenever I see this, I immediately turn to cmd-a + cmd-c + `pbpaste | llm 'summarize this'`

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