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Posted by mickle00 1/25/2026

Yes, It's Fascism(www.theatlantic.com)
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mistermaster1 1/25/2026|
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shitter 1/25/2026||
This comment betrays a misunderstanding of history and of what fascism is and doesn't even engage with the article's points. A totalitarian fascist state does not come into being all at once; it emerges in steps that tend towards that outcome, steps which the article discusses in detail. Furthermore, that nascent fascism can be defeated through electoral means does not preclude it from being fascism.
usernomdeguerre 1/25/2026|||
So the only point someone could conceivably write this article, in your mind, would be the moment after its writers and platforms would be subjected to state-sanctioned punishment for uttering it?

I'll accept a little front-running then, if you don't mind.

mistermaster1 1/25/2026||
No they could write it in another state, anonymously, or on more underground/less mainstream established platforms than one of the oldest publications in the history of the republic. More like what’s happening with regards to Iran. Also, front-running also implies that there’s an order for fascism coming up. So the intent of establishing fascism is preceded by a bungled and visibly brutal and horribly implemented performative “operation” that this massacre by ICE is? That makes no sense. This is not an order for fascism that an article is sort of front-running protectively. The better analogy is a media entity predictably calling one extremely messed up thing another extremely messed up thing, and leaving a massive vulnerability for their side. Messed-up-thing-promoting folks will use articles like this a year from now after ICE ceases operations, effectively issuing a silent “apology” of sorts and curtailing the violence, to promote the next messed up thing they want to do (which may be less messed up than the ICE massacres but still would be quite messed up and avoidable).

Every pessimistic approximation isnt always good. We lose credibility when we keep doing it.

RealityVoid 1/25/2026|||
> True fascism would not allow the massive criticism and outrage (including by active lawmakers and heads of state & local governments) that recent events have reasonably led to.

It hasn't yet captured the whole country. The parts of criticism they have had the power to silence, they have already silenced. Who's in the White House press corps again?

When they will capture all the power they need, the criticism will be silenced.

I fear that we might not see a definitive Democratic win though at the midterms. I think your country is already past the point of no return and your population is just not getting it yet.

mistermaster1 1/25/2026||
Thank you for your personal, individual wisdom that exceeds that of 230+ million eligible US voters in the 2026. That about settles it, we are past the point of no return so we should do absolutely nothing. In fact any action would be irrational, a waste of effort and a misallocation of time and energy vs spending it with our families and/or on ourselves. And somehow, I am the person who is defending the so-called fascists and ensuring a place “shining their jackboots” (your peer here used this expression to try to denigrate/attack me)? It must really hurt to be so smart and to be able to see all of the future perfectly.
RealityVoid 1/25/2026||
I'm honestly sorry, you're right to be angry. I'm not trying to demobilize you. I'm despairing myself as well, I hope for the US to keep its shit together. But I just don't think it's looking great. Sorry, really, I don't want to make fun of the shit the US is in.

I think I _am_ guilty of using a poor intellectual facade trying to make sense of this what the fuck historical moment we're in. Because trust me, my country is in a dangerous place as well.

mistermaster1 1/25/2026||
Thank you for taking ownership. Unfortunately when the online “gang” effectively amplifies itself (either through correlation of their voices as they see something that isn’t there; or in actual coordination/racing to echo one another) the emergent effect is one of ostracization and it becomes easier to see how some people become radicalized and even get cornered into dishonestly defending worse and worse actions & positions which they never would have otherwise defended. I chose not to do that, but only because this isn’t the first time that I’ve been mobbed by groupthinkers who want to defend whatever article or tagline they are promoting to the point of attacking me for making any point that seems critical of any part of their current bible of choice.
donkey_brains 1/25/2026||
Ah yes, the “no true fascism” fallacy. Thanks for posting your half-thought out defense of the party that is murdering citizens in the street! I’m sure they appreciate your attempts to keep their jackboots shiny.
mistermaster1 1/25/2026||
Can you point out how I was defending a party? I’m simply saying that the US isn’t a fascist state yet. We can engage, debate and discuss. People are actively out in the streets of MSP and watching and confronting these agents and the incidents are being documented, spread widely and analyzed. Calling it fascism isn’t productive nor is it even front running. I am willing to bet against any of you that this insanity perpetrated by poorly trained or untrained agents running amok in the midwest will be old news by the end of the year and no not because it has been subsumed by some worse class of atrocities. It will have ended, ICE will have ceased these sort of unchecked “operarions” and largely due to public outrage and scrutiny. Actual outrage, scrutiny and genuine activism, not writing articles from an armchair that mischaracterize this as fascism or racism. That sort of thing only perpetuates and makes the rabid crazies who actually support these actions in light of the tragedies sink their jackboots in even harder and empowers them more despite them being in the minority.
ClownsAbound 1/25/2026||
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dev_256 1/26/2026||
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jLaForest 1/25/2026||
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dang 1/25/2026||
HN has had numerous major frontpage threads that are critical of this administration. Not enough to satisfy those who want more, but that is a separate issue.
smw 1/25/2026|||
Hey, I think you're a superhero for making this place such wonderful forum for deep and interesting conversation, but isn't there some point where you might consider putting your finger on the scale to help stop the slide into authoritarianism? This seems like the moment, maybe?
Redoubts 1/26/2026|||
> isn't there some point where you might consider putting your finger on the scale to help stop the slide into authoritarianism? This seems like the moment, maybe?

posting isn't praxis. what do you think more articles on this site will achieve?

jLaForest 1/25/2026|||
It's a matter of taking his finger off the scale... Stop taking down threads with productive discussion just because they conflict with your worldview (and financial interests)
dang 1/26/2026||
What you call "taking finger off scale" would turn HN into a politics / current affairs site. I know that some of you want that, and a few even wonder how we can possibly be so evil as not to do it, but it is simply not the kind of site that HN is. That is the case regardless of what terminology you use - fingers on scales, curation, moderation, - which are different ways of describing the same thing.

I'm not sure why you need to invoke cynical motives for us running HN this way, since the reasons we give for this (which are quite real) explain things better. (for example, if we only cared about suppressing this stuff, why would HN be having frontpage threads about it at all? that doesn't make much sense.) But that's just me.

I think it would help you guys to understand that most of the HN community, even most who agree with you politically, do not want us to throw in the towel and let HN become like the rest of the internet. Only a small portion of users want this, though they do post intense (and sometimes even aggressive) comments about it. Given that HN has always stuck to its mandate and that the community wants us to keep doing so, I don't see this as a close call.

LexiMax 1/26/2026|||
Most of the social spaces that I frequent don't have the amount of political topics posted as HN.

Would you like to know the difference between those spaces and here? It's that in those spaces, regardless of if the members are left right or center, the community is on the same page in terms of authoritarians, and authoritarian apologia will get you tossed.

Therefore, there isn't the same sort of desire - or need - to point out the obvious and show the uncomfortable realities to the crowd.

Refusing to take a stand on this sort of thing and leaving it for the community to sort out will only make things worse. It's functionally no different than the kind of combative environment you get on major social media networks; the only difference is the amount of tone policing caused by the user-facing moderation tools.

jLaForest 1/26/2026|||
Currently there is not a single remotely political post on the front page, as the moderators intended. But yes I should believe you and not my lying eyes

Not only could you not allow the article posted, but even my comment on your actions was flagged. Stop censuring criticism because it makes you uncomfortable

dang 1/26/2026||
> Currently there is not a single remotely political post on the front page, as the moderators intended. But yes I should believe you and not my lying eyes

This was on the frontpage for 18 hours yesterday: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46756117 - Jan 2026 (861 comments). 18 hours is about as much coverage as any frontpage story gets. It was there when I posted my GP comment and for a good 7 or 8 hours after that.

What you call "believing your eyes" depends on what you notice, which depends on how you feel (and particularly on what you dislike [1]). If you felt differently, you would notice different things and make different generalizations. (I don't mean you personally, of course—we're all this way.)

Your comment seems to assume that there must be one or more political stories on HN's front page at all times. There's no such rule. I get that you want more—everyone wants more of their preferred topics on HN's front page, including me. You're simply at odds with the kind of site this is and what we optimize it for [2], as well as with the bulk of the community, which wants something different than what you want. Treating that as moral failings of evil admins, accusing us of lying and so on, is not an interpretation I think most people here would agree with.

> even my comment on your actions was flagged. Stop censuring criticism because it makes you uncomfortable

Most of your comments aren't flagged. If you're talking about https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46758424, I imagine users flagged that one for being both false and aggressive.

Anyone who reads HN regularly knows that there's tons of criticism here of the site, the admins, the community - in fact, every aspect of HN is constantly being criticized and complained about. It's a bit odd to call that "killing all discussion that is critical."

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

jLaForest 1/26/2026||
The third to comment on that post is:

Glad to see this post didn't get flagged like the one that was posted yesterday on a similar topic about ICE data mining and user tracking.

Obviously I'm not the only one noticing the one sided censorship. If you want to ban political discussion, just be honest about it.

You called my parent comment false, yet this post is still flagged... Add gaslighting to the list. I better hush up before my whole account gets banned...

dang 1/26/2026||
Political discussion isn't banned on HN. If you want to understand the approach we take, https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... has pointers to many explanations, including recent ones.

I'm not saying we always make the right calls on individual stories—we don't—but we try our best to apply those principles, as well as to explain them clearly.

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Edit: you edited your comment after I replied - if you do that, can you please note where you're editing it? Otherwise it's unfair to readers, who can't track in what order the conversation developed.

I'm not sure I understand the last bit, but your comment which I called false is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46758424, and that was because everything it says is false. I didn't flag that post, didn't kill discussion, don't "protect the interests of this administration", and don't kill all discussion that is critical.

We don't ban accounts for criticizing us. We ban them for breaking the site guidelines.

jLaForest 1/26/2026||
Nobody is reading this back and forth between us because you chose to keep this post flagged...
dang 1/26/2026||
I'm replying to you, and that seems to be working!

If other users need this information, there are thousands of other posts where they can get it, and we post more every day. It's more or less always the same information because the underlying principles don't change, or at least haven't in a long while.

jLaForest 1/25/2026||||
Yes I know because I've read through several right before they are predictably taken down. But yes I will take your word and stop believing my eyes and ears...
Willson50 1/25/2026|||
Be nice to Dang, he is just following orders.
mickle00 1/25/2026||
fwiw it's been flagged and unflagged four times since I posted. I don't know the algorithm -- but it's been great to see whomever is unflagging understanding the importance and significance of this issue and relevance to hackers everywhere.
jLaForest 1/25/2026||
And here it remains flagged... I wonder why?
renewiltord 1/25/2026||
It's true. This kind of authoritarian state violence is pretty reminiscent of fascism. Especially what looks like a gangland execution of a man who could only ever be described as exercising his 2A rights by carrying a firearm undrawn legally under his CCW. However, the list of things that have been called fascism are so long that I have to admit that my eyes initially glazed over the headline because many things have been described as fascism.

The US was supposedly ruled by a fascist in 2018: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/books/review/jason-stanle...

There was also supposedly fascism coming in 2016: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/this-is-how-fascism-comes...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09626...

And yet we had elections in 2020. So whatever, it was clearly not authoritarian fascism because we had free elections that the authoritarian fascist was ousted in. So what I think I experienced there was semantic satiation with the word fascism.

EDIT: To clarify position vis a vis reply, I am simply saying that I have heard the word 'fascism' so much I don't really react with any sense when someone says it. It's like hearing 'rape' or 'spying' on Hacker News. I assume it means "I was shown a banner ad for toothpaste after searching for toothpaste". In other contexts those words have negative valence of great significance. In this context, I just glaze over.

Likewise, the word 'fascism' from a left-leaning outlet could be anything from the end of medicare subsidies to a drone strike on an Islamic fundamentalist general to charging fares on a train.

Just sharing how I feel about it. It does not have that emotional strength that it originally felt.

Jordan-117 1/25/2026||
A careful reader will notice that both of those warnings are about the same person. The same person who tried to illegally and violently overturn that 2020 election result. Maybe they weren't crying wolf after all?
tstrimple 1/25/2026|||
Found another one of them...

2015: You're overreacting!

2016: You're overreacting!

2017: You're overreacting!

2018: You're overreacting!

2019: You're overreacting!

2020: You're overreacting!

2021: You're overreacting!

2022: You're overreacting!

2023: You're overreacting!

2024: You're overreacting!

2025: How could we possibly have known things would have gone this way?!

culi 1/25/2026||
HN in a nutshell. Everyone wants to look measured and above it all. I feel like I've seen more posts about Dan Kahan's cultural cognition than about the actual killings themselves
convolvatron 1/25/2026||
you're saying that because as recently as 10 years ago, some people were warning about fascism taking hold in the United States, and even though they turned out to be right, they should have held off using that word until we reached this moment, where no sensible person would argue.
salynchnew 1/26/2026|||
It's amazing that so many "leaders" (esp. in tech) seemed to not worry about or even tacitly/openly supported the Trump admin, when so many other folks could clearly see the disaster looming on the horizon.
UncleMeat 1/25/2026|||
And it isn't even like it was different people. Donald Trump has been the protagonist of the GOP for ten years. The people who were saying "this is creeping fascism" were saying it about the same guy who is doing it now.
ValveFan6969 1/25/2026|
Shooting people for speaking is also fascism but they won't say that.
zahlman 1/26/2026||
Who was shot for speaking?
xnx 1/26/2026||
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