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Posted by bwb 1/26/2026

France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.(twitter.com)
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Xmd5a 1/27/2026|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLODO

A Front for clandestine Operations? (Speculative Timeline)

- April 6 & 8, 1980: Sabotage and arson against Philips Data Systems and CII-Honeywell-Bull in Toulouse. Speculation: French State Operation. A move to protect national technological sovereignty during the "Plan Calcul" era.

- May 19, 1980: Arson attack on the archives of ICL (International Computers Limited) in Toulouse. Speculation: Continuation of the French State's "cleansing" of foreign influence.

- September 11, 1980 & December 2, 1980: Attacks against a computing firm in Toulouse and the UAP (Union des Assurances de Paris) in Paris. Speculation: American Operation? Possible retaliation or disruption of French administrative networks.

- January 28, 1983: Bombing of the new computer center at the Haute-Garonne Prefecture in Toulouse. Speculation: American Revenge. A direct hit against the French State's local administrative brain.

- October 26, 1983: Total destruction by fire of the Sperry Univac offices (a US multinational) in Toulouse. Speculation: French Revenge. A final "tit-for-tat" response targeting a key asset of the US military-industrial complex on French soil.

_ache_ 1/26/2026||
Can access X because it's X and locally blocked, "ironic" to use Twitter to post about sovereignty.

It's ongoing for a will with La suite numérique (https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/).

- Tchap is a message app for officials, - Visio, based on LiveKit - FranceTransfert, I don't know what is it. - Fichiers => Drive - Messagerie => Email - Docs => A better Google Docs - Grist => Excel version of Google docs.

It aimed at "public worker", people working for the government.

Github: https://github.com/suitenumerique

sam_lowry_ 1/26/2026||
Ironic to use Github to post about sovereignty )
_ache_ 1/26/2026|||
I'm trying to not use it myself but yes, la suite numérique should get out of GitHub.

They already did it for the Ministry of Education with [La Forge](https://docs.forge.apps.education.fr/). Used to be forgejo, now a GitLab instance.

sam_lowry_ 1/26/2026||
GitLab, a YC and by extension an American company )

This can go as far as we want )

KolmogorovComp 1/26/2026|||
It does not matter in that case, the software is open-source.
LunaSea 1/27/2026|||
The chips your computer is using were produced by hardware that was itself produced by ASML, a Dutch company.
bananasandrice 1/26/2026|||
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jasoncartwright 1/26/2026|||
Built using Django!
well_ackshually 1/26/2026||
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jddj 1/26/2026||
The inertia (or actively maintained status quo) in Europe towards the US platforms is massive.

Anecdotally, I recently found myself in the local government building of a small European town. They run several free digitalisation classes for small businesses.

The options? Introductory classes to:

- LinkedIn

- WhatsApp business

- Facebook and Instagram ads

- Gsuite

XorNot 1/26/2026|
It might be worth considering that if those are intro classes, then it's not like they can't be easily replaced: it's not like the audience is wedded to any of those at an introductory level.
Synaesthesia 1/26/2026||
We need more like this. Europe is totally dependent on US companies for cloud computing.
eb0la 1/26/2026||
Until now nobody thought it was a problem. At least not a big one. The EU made some moves to define a "cloud computing" platform for Europe, and very little people paid attention because business-wise it was very difficult to compete with US corporations that have vast amounts of money in cash and find easy to get funding.

But now there are some (small) alternatives.

LIDL has its own cloud for retail.

And I believe T-Systems sells some cloud computing for goverments based on OpenStack...

Small steps, but steps.

drstewart 1/27/2026||
>Until now nobody thought it was a problem.

I've seen these "EU digital sovereignty is around the corner!!" articles weekly for the past 10 years

nunez 1/26/2026|||
I don't think a cloud provider that is _just_ a cloud provider exists. All of the cloud providers I can think of (AWS, GCP, Azure, Oracle Cloud, IBM Cloud, Baidu, etc) are subsidiaries of larger corporations whose profit centers are elsewhere.

The capital requirements needed to spin up a public cloud and the services that come with that are absolutely massive. It makes me think that cloud computing, despite the gigantic profits it brings in, is not sustainable on its own.

davkan 1/27/2026||
For what it’s worth, Amazon’s largest profit center is AWS. Likewise for Microsoft and Azure.
nunez 1/28/2026||
That's the case now, yes. However, EC2 and S3 were started by using idle compute for .com, which they had boatloads of due to their size, and Windows Azure was originally meant to be an app hosting platform for .NET apps running on Windows.

The only other companies I can think of that tried being/are trying to be _just_ cloud provider are Rackspace (which has been barely hanging on as the CSPs are eating their lunch) and Hetzner (who seem to be doing okay), but both of these companies lean more towards "hosting provider" (i.e. renting compute is their business) rather than "cloud provider" (i.e. providing platforms for many use cases).

davkan 1/29/2026||
Yes I agree there is no pure hosting/cloud company that comes close to the scale of the big 3 who also use their cloud infrastructure expertise and inventory to subsidize all the other parts of their businesses. Maybe it’s only possible to be reach the top if you already have all the money and infrastructure in the world, but just pointing out that for the top two cloud providers these platforms are at the core of their business and are their most profitable units.
mmkos 1/27/2026|||
The cost to bootstrap a sovereign cloud offering in Europe that can even begin to compare to the big ones in the US would be humongous. There would need to be a solid, multi-year incentive for a company/startup to even want to attempt it. It has to come from the top. Else force the big US clouds operating in Europe to be ready to effectively detach from their US counterparts if shit hits the fan, though this one's probably not realistic.
rconti 1/26/2026||
As a dual US/EU national who would love to move to Europe, I, for one, welcome the increase in tech demand on that side of the pond.
jleyank 1/26/2026||
And they can strike back at corporate America by licensing the stuff under gnu licenses. Software that’s reasonably small, reasonably effective and portable. What a concept. If only the EU or UK had 5-10 hackers…
trelane 1/26/2026||
Even something already available off the shelf!

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/membership/jitsi-meet-an-often-ove...

Neil44 1/26/2026|||
One of my networking groups uses Jitsi. It's fine.
Nextgrid 1/26/2026|||
It's pretty awful to setup compared to the Livekit-based solution.
iso1631 1/26/2026||
Visio is more than just the software, it's a French run tool where the entire stack is provided at an enterprise/governmental level with various guarentees about availability, confidentiality etc.
concinds 1/26/2026||
Not so much "aiming" as doing it. The alternative already exists, is open-source, and used by 40,000 government users. By 2027 all government agencies will use it exclusively.
duxup 1/26/2026|
What is that option?
mcoliver 1/26/2026|||
Visio with live kit (part of lasuite) or opendesk with jitsi would be my guess.

https://livekit.io/ https://www.clever.cloud/product/visio/ https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/

https://jitsi.org/ https://www.opendesk.eu/en

As an aside I am surprised it has taken this long but seems inevitable now given the last 18 months.

omnimus 1/26/2026||
My bet would be that "the standard" will be Heinlein Groups (company behind mailbox.org) OpenTalk (already better than Jitsy) and now they are doing OpenCloud as scaleable NextCloud alternative. The company behind the projects needs it for their own usecases, has stable business and they have decades of experience.
cocoflunchy 1/26/2026|||
Visio from https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/
bsimpson 1/26/2026||
It's funny that it's such a blatant knock-off of Google Workspace - the repos even have the same names:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet

I wonder if the emoji will grow into its own set:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet/blob/main/src/fronten...

omnimus 1/26/2026|||
It doesn't matter. Office suites are a commodity. Google suite is knockoff of MS Office at certain point in time. That's just the nature of digital - information want's to be free.
duxup 1/26/2026||
I feel like we would see a lot more movement if we’ve reached the commodity point…
omnimus 1/26/2026||
It's network effects / lock-in. There is a reason why people still use Microsoft Office and that is that surprising amount of industries have everything build around it. In my country anything law related is submitted in Microsoft Word. Academic texts? Microsoft Word. Communication with government? Microsoft Word.

The reason why Google Docs somewhat managed to break this was 1. free, 2. multiplayer/easy to share.

One law about requiring the state documents to be submitted in open formats, editable in libre software... and the lock instantly breaks.

Nextgrid 1/26/2026|||
> blatant knock-off of Google Workspace - the repos even have the same names

That's exactly what we need though, so I see that as a plus.

tsoukase 1/27/2026||
The reflex to bind Europe's IT with OSS is due to several factors, like Linus Torvalds being Finnish, Arch and SUSE having a European leadership, NEXT and OpenCloud started by German hands and an absence of a unicorn IT company in EU.

Relying on OSS in continental level is a blessing and a curse. It can scale very well to an homogenous basis but it might not be organised well in national and regional level due to poor economic motivation. The good scenario is a development of a modified Linux kernel, named like Europix, with a userland consisting of a full packet of OS apps, interoperable and secure in public and private level. The private companies can earn public contracts for support.

nasretdinov 1/26/2026||
My hope is that all this push towards tech independence (not just from EU) will make the most "basic" tools open-source and they wouldn't suck as much as they do now.

What I mean by this is e.g. you can already use Linux on a desktop and it's generally okay (or even good sometimes), however things like LibreOffice are absolutely unusable in terms of performance, functionality and user friendliness compared to e.g. Keynote or even Pages on macOS.

Multiple governments having to solve essentially the same issue on a global scale is a unique opportunity to save costs by working on open source together, and get funding and direction that's never been available to OSS before.

ergocoder 1/26/2026||
As much as I cheer for OpenOffice, it sucks. And it has been decades now.

I'm not even an advanced Word / Google Doc user.

Are we gonna wait for 100 more years for it to be good?

ptx 1/26/2026|||
The latest version of OpenOffice (4.1.x) is over a decode old, aside from security releases with "bug fixes and little enhancements", so it's not surprising that it hasn't improved in the last decade.

LibreOffice is the actively developed fork.

There's a nice diagram on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Forks_and_deriv...

umanwizard 1/26/2026||||
OpenOffice? Do you mean LibreOffice?

OpenOffice has been effectively dead for many years (though, maddeningly, Apache continues to publish it and squat the trademark); LibreOffice is the mainline where development continues.

bananasandrice 1/26/2026||
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umanwizard 1/26/2026||
Yes, the name confusion is bad, I'm not really sure what this has to do with the topic though.
Insanity 1/26/2026|||
Word also kind of sucks. My biggest gripe is that it doesn’t understand markdown input. And once you add tables to the word doc, it turns into even more of a mess to work with.
mhitza 1/26/2026|||
It also doesn't feel like the mid 2000s anymore, where offline word/excel are essential for most day to day work.

Most of the time I deal with csv downloads for data, or the shit PDFs that I can only fill in with the Adobe reader on windows. I can't recall the last time I fired up OnlyOffice (better MS garbage compatibility) for anything related to work.

This doesn't mean that those tools are irrelevant, but significantly less needed, and less of a migration hurdle for many companies.

leoedin 1/26/2026||
Yeah, I’ve been able to use desktop Linux without many issues in a corporate environment. The main issue was the web version of office being incomplete. If corporate IT teams embraced it, I bet most companies could be free of Windows without too much issue.

The bigger problem seems to be the cloud services - teams, OneDrive, sharepoint and all the account management stuff.

jbombadil 1/26/2026||
I hope so too, but don't believe that's the ultimate intent here.

The problem is that the tech independence is being pushed by government who want more control - not less. (Not speaking specifically of France and this instance, but looking at the anti-encryption rules that the UK and Ireland are pushing)

From that standpoint, I imagine the "solution" here won't be to push an open source alternative, but a closed one that they to control.

nasretdinov 1/26/2026||
I agree that it's not an intent. However hopefully it's going to be open-source, as is the case for most government work in the UK for example. One can dream I guess
202508042147 1/26/2026||
This is great and definitely doable. It's the initial bit that's hard, people hate switching but then when they get used to it, they won't switch back.

What I'd really like to see is a pan-european payment processor, a European alternative to Visa/Mastercard.

tpxl 1/27/2026||
What's wrong with SEPA instant?

A payment flow of 'scan code, confirm in banking app' is hard to beat and we're 95% there. And all you need is your own banking app, no shady payment processors required.

You lose some stuff like the credit part of the credit card (although virtually no one I know actually uses credit, only debit cards) and consumer protections (chargebacks), but I don't think those outweigh the extra costs at all.

202508042147 1/27/2026||
I'm totally sold on scan to pay apps, would be great to pay anywhere in Europe with my banking app.

I still need a credit card when I rent cars and sometimes for online payments. That is an issue.

BitwiseFool 1/26/2026|||
I would love to switch away from Teams. Sadly the organizations I belong to do not want to pay for anything else.
avh02 1/26/2026||
was talking to a friend about this, there's wero but i haven't really seen it around (Germany).
severino 1/26/2026||
The problem I've seen with this is that Wero works with banking applications that require either Google Play or App Store. Which means that you may not need an American company for the payment itself, but you now need an American company in the device you have to use for the payment.
ThePowerOfFuet 1/26/2026|
https://xcancel.com/lellouchenico/status/2015775970330882319

Which itself links to:

https://www.numerama.com/cyberguerre/2167301-la-france-veut-...

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