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Posted by duxup 6 hours ago

FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE(www.nbcnews.com)
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quickthrowman 4 hours ago|
I’d be curious to know what they plan to charge people with.
netsharc 4 hours ago||
Jaywalking, misappropriating funds during a renovation? Whatever the police state wants...
Pwntastic 4 hours ago|||
domestic terrorism, of course
q34tlR4y 3 hours ago||
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mycodendral 3 hours ago|||
18 U.S.C. § 372 — Conspiracy to impede or injure officer

If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.

Federal felony

nkohari 3 hours ago|||
> by force, intimidation, or threat

You seem to be glossing over the key piece of that statute. Peaceful protest is protected by the first amendment (free speech, right to assembly).

advisedwang 3 hours ago|||
The article subhead implies obstruction of justice.
jihadjihad 3 hours ago|||
Coming soon, treason.
mothballed 3 hours ago|||
I heard a totally unsubstantiated rumor that the participants were sending (ICE agent) plate numbers to people with NCIC access to run the plates. If that's the case it would be a pretty easy felony charge for all involved.

I have no reason to believe that's true, just what word on the street was they might be charged with.

sjsdaiuasgdia 3 hours ago||
If you have no reason to believe it's true, and understand the rumor to be unsubstantiated, why bother to spread it?
mothballed 3 hours ago||
Because the question was what they might be charged with, not what they did.

Did you expect the government to charge people in good faith? It doesn't matter it if it's true or not, even putting them in the slammer for a long time while awaiting trial and forcing them to hire expensive attorneys is a win.

sjsdaiuasgdia 3 hours ago||
No, I don't expect the Trump administration to operate in good faith.

The post you replied to didn't ask what they might be charged with. It asked what they "plan" to charge.

And you replied with internet rumor nonsense. It's actually fine to say "I don't know" or simply not reply at all when someone asks a question to which you do not have an answer.

hsbauauvhabzb 4 hours ago|||
They don’t need to if they just shoot them on the street.
lenerdenator 4 hours ago|||
Or, at the very least, what they want to try to convince a grand jury to indict people on.

That's another angle that needs to be discussed more often with respect to Trump's DoJ: if you're impaneled on a grand jury for charges coming out of these investigations, you don't have to give them a bill.

adrr 3 hours ago|||
Terrorism seems to be their default claim if you're against the Trump admin.
q34tlR4y 3 hours ago|||
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missingcolours 4 hours ago|||
Presumably Seditious Conspiracy, like many people involved in J6. Conspiracy to use force to prevent or delay enforcement of laws.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4 hours ago|||
I hope they're just looking for foreign influence I'm not sure what you could charge peaceful protestors with that would survive in court.
cdrnsf 3 hours ago||
Not voting for them.
OutOfHere 5 hours ago||
https://www.phreeli.com/ lets people use phones without revealing identity.
gruez 2 hours ago|
Not sure what the point of the service is. Given that it's more expensive than other MVNOs, and isn't even more private. You can still buy prepaid SIMs in store with cash, so it's harder to get more private than that. Not to mention this company asks for your zip+4 code (which identifies down to a specific street), and information for E-911. It's basically like Trump Mobile but for people who care about "privacy".
samename 9 minutes ago|||
Can prepaid eSIMs be used anonymously?
unethical_ban 1 hour ago||||
I was unaware that you could buy a SIM with cash and no private data collected. I thought they had KYC laws like prepaid cash cards.
gruez 31 minutes ago||
>I thought they had KYC laws like prepaid cash cards.

You don't. You could even order sim cards off ebay/amazon if you wanted to, which definitely doesn't have any KYC.

OutOfHere 1 hour ago|||
Clearly there is no point in it for you. The stores would ID you. As for the nine digit zip, I don't think they validate it. Your anti-privacy agenda is crystal clear.
gruez 32 minutes ago||
>The stores would ID you

Source?

>As for the nine digit zip, I don't think they validate it.

Why collect it then? Imagine having a service promising "lets people use phones without revealing identity" but for whatever reason asks for a bunch of info, then brushes it aside with "yeah but you can fill in fake information so it's fine".

>Your anti-privacy agenda is crystal clear.

Your inability to take any criticism without resorting to personal attacks is crystal clear.

superkuh 6 hours ago||
Tracking the murderers who executed citizens in the street and then fled the scene of the crime and any sort of trial or investigation? That ICE and Immigration and Border Patrol? I wonder why. And since when is tracking public officials operating in public in the capacity of their government jobs illegal?

These federal goons need to be tracked and observed to record their crimes. That much is indisputable.

stuffn 6 hours ago||
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hackyhacky 6 hours ago|||
Are you holding up some random unverified substack, featuring an obvious AI-generated photo, as a reliable source of information?

> You should probably read the original source before taking the opinion of your favorite pundit.

This is not an "original source" of the article in question.

stuffn 6 hours ago||
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Psillisp 6 hours ago||
Great add
superkuh 6 hours ago|||
And you need to watch the videos but I imagine the cognitive dissonance is too uncomfortable.
direwolf20 4 hours ago|||
When Trump saw the video of Renee Good's execution, he faltered. He hadn't seen that before.
stuffn 6 hours ago|||
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hobs 6 hours ago||
No, the ones on broadcast television news where they go scene by scene breaking down any claims of Alex being at fault being bogus lies that you are now repeating.
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dang 4 hours ago||
Url changed from https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kash-patel-..., which points to this.
ath3nd 2 hours ago||
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fleroviumna 6 hours ago||
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quercus 6 hours ago||
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tencentshill 6 hours ago||
Yeah! Signal has nothing to do with technology. The government trying to snoop on a private E2EE service is not worth discussion.
quercus 6 hours ago||
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hobs 6 hours ago||
Many people on hacker news have a reason to care about the united states government's position on signal and their evolving efforts relating to civil rights.
quercus 6 hours ago||
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dayyan 6 hours ago|
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hackyhacky 6 hours ago||
Sounds good, until you realize that they've now murdered two peaceful protesters, who they post facto smear as terrorists to justify their murder.
spiderice 31 minutes ago|||
Driving your car at someone, whether or not you are trying to hit them or putting them at risk by trying to dodge them, isn't peaceful. I'm shocked that this needs to be explained to people. Tribalism is one helluva drug.
dayyan 6 hours ago|||
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hackyhacky 5 hours ago||
How is a history of constitutional violations not on topic?
xrd 6 hours ago|||
He just misspoke slightly. What he meant to say:

"What we will defend: using chaos, riots, and volatility as cover to escalate violence against peaceful protesters."