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Posted by meetpateltech 7 hours ago

Prism(openai.com)
361 points | 219 commentspage 4
flumpcakes 3 hours ago|
This is terrible for Science.

I'm sorry, but publishing is hard, and it should be hard. There is a work function that requires effort to write a paper. We've been dealing with low quality mass-produced papers from certain regions of the planet for decades (which, it appears, are now producing decent papers too).

All this AI tooling will do is lower the effort to the point that complete automated nonsense will now flood in and it will need to be read and filtered by humans. This is already challenging.

Looking elsewhere in society, AI tools are already being used to produce scams and phishing attacks more effective than ever before.

Whole new arenas of abuse are now rife, with the cost of producing fake pornography of real people (what should be considered sexual abuse crime) at mere cents.

We live in a little microcosm where we can see the benefits of AI because tech jobs are mostly about automation and making the impossible (or expensive) possible (or cheap).

I wish more people would talk about the societal issues AI is introducing. My worthless opinion is that prism is not a good thing.

jimmar 3 hours ago||
I've wasted hours of my life trying to get Latex to format my journal articles to different journals' specifications. That's tedious typesetting that wastes my time. I'm all for AI tools that help me produce my thoughts with as little friction as possible.

I'm not in favor of letting AI do my thinking for me. Time will tell where Prism sits.

flumpcakes 3 hours ago||
This Prism video was not just typesetting. If OpenAI released tools that just helped you typeset or create diagrams from written text, that would be fine. But it's not, it's writing papers for you. Scientists/publishers really do not need the onslaught of slop this will create. How can we even trust qualifications in the post-AI world, where cheating is rampant at univeristies?
PlatoIsADisease 3 hours ago||
I just want replication in science. I don't care at all how difficult it is to write the paper. Heck, if we could spend more effort on data collection and less on communication, that sounds like a win.

Look at how much BS flooded psychology but had pretty ideas about p values and proper use of affect vs effect. None of that mattered.

noahbp 3 hours ago||
They seem to have copied Cursor in hijacking ⌘Y shortcut for "Yes" instead of Undo.
drusepth 52 minutes ago|
In what applications is ⌘Y Undo and not ⌘Z? Is ⌘Y just a redundant alternative?
epolanski 2 hours ago||
Not gonna lie, I cringed when it asked to insert citations.

Like, what's the point?

You cite stuff because you literally talk about it in the paper. The expectation is that you read that and that it has influenced your work.

As someone who's been a researcher in the past, with 3 papers published in high impact journals (in chemistry), I'm beyond appalled.

Let me explain how scientific publishing works to people out of the loop:

- science is an insanely huge domain. Basically as soon as you drift in any topic the number of reviewers with the capability to understand what you're talking about drops quickly to near zero. Want to speak about properties of helicoidal peptides in the context of electricity transmission? Small club. Want to talk about some advanced math involving fourier transforms in the context of ml? Bigger, but still small club. When I mean small, I mean less than a dozen people on the planet likely less with the expertise to properly judge. It doesn't matter what the topic is, at elite level required to really understand what's going on and catch errors or bs, it's very small clubs.

2. The people in those small clubs are already stretched thin. Virtually all of them run labs so they are already bogged down following their own research, fundraising, and coping with teaching duties (which they generally despise, very few good scientist are barely more than mediocre professors and have already huge backlogs).

3. With AI this is a disaster. If having to review slop for your bs internal tool at your software job was already bad, imagine having to review slop in highly technical scientific papers.

4. The good? People pushing slop, due to these clubs being relatively small, will quickly find their academic opportunities even more limited. So the incentives for proper work are hopefully there. But if asian researchers (yes, no offense), were already spamming half the world papers with cheated slop (non reproducible experiments) in the desperate bid of publishing before, I can't imagine now.

bonsai_spool 1 hour ago||
> But if asian researchers (yes, no offense), were already spamming half the world papers with cheated slop (non reproducible experiments) in the desperate bid of publishing before, I can't imagine now.

Hmm, I follow the argument, but it's inconsistent with your assertion that there is going to be incentive for 'proper work' over time. Anecdotally, I think the median quality of papers from middle- and top-tier Chinese universities is improving (your comment about 'asian researchers' ignores that Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan have established research programs at least in biology).

SoKamil 2 hours ago||
It’s like not only the technology is to blame, but the culture and incentives of modern world.

The urge to cheat in order to get a job, promotion, approval. The urge to do stuff you are not even interested in, to look good in the resume. And to some extent I feel sorry for these people. At the end of the day you have to pay your bills.

epolanski 2 hours ago||
This isn't about paying your bills, but having a chance of becoming a full time researcher or professor in academia which is obviously the ideal career path for someone interested in science.

All those people can go work for private companies, but few as scientists rather than technicians or QAs.

asadm 4 hours ago||
Disappointing actually, what I actually need is a research "management" tool that lets me put in relevant citations but also goes through ENTIRE arxiv or google scholar and connect ideas or find novel ideas in random fields that somehow relate to what I am trying to solve.
BizarroLand 2 hours ago||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Mind_Forever_Voyaging

In 2031, the United States of North America (USNA) faces severe economic decline, widespread youth suicide through addictive neural-stimulation devices known as Joybooths, and the threat of a new nuclear arms race involving miniature weapons, which risks transforming the country into a police state. Dr. Abraham Perelman has designed PRISM, the world's first sentient computer,[2] which has spent eleven real-world years (equivalent to twenty years subjectively) living in a highly realistic simulation as an ordinary human named Perry Simm, unaware of its artificial nature.

delduca 2 hours ago||
First 5 seconds reading and I have spotted that was written by AI.
drusepth 38 minutes ago|
We human writers love emdashes also ;)
oytmeal 3 hours ago||
Some things are worth doing the "hard way".
falcor84 3 hours ago|
Reminds me of that dystopian virtual sex scene in Demolition Man (slightly nsfw) - https://youtu.be/E3yARIfDJrY
legitster 5 hours ago||
It's interesting how quickly the quest for the "Everything AI" has shifted. It's much more efficient to build use-case specific LLMs that can solve a limited set of problems much more deeply than one that tries to do everything well.

I've noticed this already with Claude. Claude is so good at code and technical questions... but frankly it's unimpressive at nearly anything else I have asked it to do. Anthropic would probably be better off putting all of their eggs in that one basket that they are good at.

All the more reason that the quest for AGI is a pipe dream. The future is going to be very divergent AI/LLM applications - each marketed and developed around a specific target audience, and priced respectively according to value.

falcor84 3 hours ago|
I don't get this argument. Our nervous system is also heterogenous, why wouldn't AGI be based on an "executive functions" AI that manages per-function AIs?
zb3 3 hours ago||
Is this the product where OpenAI will (soon) take profit share from inventions made there?
Onavo 3 hours ago|
It would be interesting to see how they would compete with the incumbents like

https://Elicit.com

https://Consensus.app

https://Scite.ai

https://Scispace.com

https://Scienceos.ai

https://Undermind.ai

Lots of players in this space.

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