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Posted by ed 1 day ago

OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again(openclaw.ai)
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anabio 23 hours ago|
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yuruzhao 4 hours ago||
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lifetimerubyist 1 day ago||
The security model of this project is so insanely incompetent I’m basically convinced this is some kind of weapon that people have been bamboozled to use on themselves because of AI hype.
yuruzhao 4 hours ago||
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fatheranton 20 hours ago||
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JasonKui 1 day ago||
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bob1029 1 day ago||
I would have stood my ground on the first name longer. Make these legal teams do some actual work to prove they are serious. Wait until you have no other option. A polite request is just that. You can happily ignore these.

The 2nd name change is just inexcusable. It's hard to take a project seriously when a random asshole on Twitter can provoke a name change like this. Leads me to believe that identity is more important than purpose.

3rodents 1 day ago||
The first name and the second name were both terrible. Yes, the creator could have held firm on "clawd" and forced Anthropic to go through all the legal hoops but to what end? A trademark exists to protect from confusion and "clawd" is about as confusing as possible, as if confusing by design. Imagine telling someone about a great new AI project called "clawd" and trying to explain that it's not the Claude they are familiar with and the word is made up and it is spelled "claw-d".

OpenClaw is a better name by far, Anthropic did the creator a huge favor by forcing him to abandon "clawd".

calgoo 1 day ago||
Interesting, I dont read claude the same way as clawd, but I'm based in Spain so I tend to read it as French or Spanish. I tend to read it as `claud-e` with an emphasis on the e at the end. I would read clawd as `claw-d` with a emphasis in the D, but yes i guess American English would pronounce them the same way.

Edit: Just realized i have been reading and calling it after Jean-Claude Van Damme all this time. Happy friday!

marton78 19 hours ago|||
What do you mean an emphasis on the 'e'? As in claudé? The name Claude is pronounced with a silent 'e' in French, there is no 'e' to emphasize.
esafak 19 hours ago||
Now you're telling me I've been pronouncing it wrong in every possible case?!
browningstreet 18 hours ago|||
Greg Eisenberg will pronounce it both ways in the same video: clawd and cload. As an American I very much use clawd for Claude.
kube-system 1 day ago|||
As the article says, it’s a 2 month old weekend project. It’s doing a lot better than my two month old weekend projects.
superfrank 1 day ago||
While weekend project may be correct, I think it gives a slightly wrong impression of where this came from. Peter Steinberger is the creator who created and sold PSPDFKit, so he never has to work again. I'm listening to a podcast he was on right now and he talks about staying up all night working on projects just because he's hooked. According to him made 6,600 commits in January alone. I get the impression that he puts more time into his weekend project than most of us put into our jobs.

That's not to diminish anything he's done because frankly, it's really fucking impressive, but I think weekend project gives the impression of like 5 hours a week and I don't think that's accurate for this project.

suddenlybananas 1 day ago||
Number of commits doesn't mean much.
superfrank 1 day ago||
I get what you're saying, but I don't totally agree. The number is sooo high that, while it isn't a perfect measure, I think it does mean something.

If you go look at his code, nearly all of them are under 100 lines and I'd say close to half are under 10. So you're totally right that that number is way higher than what most other developers would have for a similar amount of code. At the same time, if we assume it takes 30 seconds to make a commit on average that's still 55 hours in a month, that is way above what most would call a weekend project.

My point wasn't really that number of commits is some perfect measure of developer productivity. It was just that if you're actually building something and not just generating commits for the hell of it, there's a minimum amount of time needed for each commit. 6600 times whatever that minimum time is is probably more than what most people would think of for a weekend project.

egeozcan 1 day ago||
I don't disagree with you but those commits could also be automated. Have a look at the projects like gastown.
Jarwain 1 day ago|||
I draw the opposite conclusion. Willingness to change the name leads me to conclude purpose is more important than identity.

Now if it changes _again_ that's a different story. If it changes Too Much, it becomes a distraction

altmanaltman 1 day ago||
Isnt this name change because the previous one was hard to say, as per the blog post? Isnt that a case of focusing more on identity than purpose?
Veen 1 day ago||
More that moltbot is ugly and was chosen in a bit of a panic after Anthropic complained. No one liked it, including the people who chose it.
arrowsmith 1 day ago|||
It wasn't just one random asshole, tons of people were saying that "Moltbot" is a terrible name. (I agree, although I didn't tweet at him about it.)

OpenClaw is a million times better.

matsemann 1 day ago||
Just curious, is there something specific about Moltbot that makes it a terrible name? Like any connotations or associations or something? Non-native speaker here, and I don't see anything particularly wrong with it that would warrant the hate it's gotten. (But I agree that OpenClaw _sounds_ better)
arrowsmith 1 day ago|||
No connotations or associations that I can think of it. It just sounds weird and is kinda hard to pronounce - doesn't roll off the tongue easily.

It's not the worst thing ever, it's just not a very aesthetically pleasing combination of sounds.

esskay 1 day ago||||
Go on twitter and search 'maltbot', 'moldbot', 'multbot', etc - the name was just awful and easy to get wrong as its meaningless. I think the crux of it is that 'Molt' isnt a very commonly used word for most people so it just feels weird and wrong.

OpenClaw just sounds better, it's got that opensource connotation and just generally feels like a real product not a weirdly named thing you'll forget about in 5 minutes because you cant remember the name.

dist-epoch 23 hours ago|||
In many non-English languages it's a terrible name to pronounce. the T-B letters link in particular. Not all languages have silent letters like English, you actually have to pronounce them.
llbbdd 19 hours ago||
Every single letter in Moltbot would be pronounced in English.
Paracompact 1 day ago|||
Which random asshole? Haven't heard about it.
mcintyre1994 1 day ago||
I’m guessing they mean this, linked from the post: https://xcancel.com/NetworkChuck/status/2016254397496414317
esskay 1 day ago||
That ones pretty mild, there were some unhinged posts around yesterday about the name.
currymj 18 hours ago||
Anthropic already was using "Clawd" branding as the name for the little pixelated orange Claude Code mascot. So they probably have a trademark even on that spelling.
tomstockmail 18 hours ago||
Runescape boss "Clawdia" [1] predates Anthropic use by several years.

https://runescape.wiki/w/Clawdia

rolymath 1 day ago||
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halapro 1 day ago||
Why? What's wrong with it?
InsideOutSanta 1 day ago|||
Let's ignore all the potential security issues in the code itself and just think about it conceptually.

By default, this system has full access to your computer. On the project's frontpage, it says, "Read and write files, run shell commands, execute scripts. Full access or sandboxed—your choice." Many people run it without a sandbox because that is the default mode and the primary way it can be useful.

People then use it to do things like read email, e.g., to summarize new email and send them a notification. So they run the email content through an LLM that has full control over their setup.

LLMs don't distinguish between commands and content. This means there is no functional distinction between the user giving the LLM a command, and the LLM reading an email message.

This means that if you use this setup, I can email you and tell the LLM to do anything I want on your system. You've just provided anyone that can email you full remote access to your computer.

sreekanth850 1 day ago||
This!
lnenad 1 day ago|||
It's a vibecoded project that gives an agent full access to your system that will potentially be used by non technically proficient people. What could go wrong?
consp 1 day ago||
In which case you only want it running on a non networked system airgapped from everything. Why is this a thing?
lnenad 1 day ago|||
I don't disagree but

> that will potentially be used by non technically proficient people

ForHackernews 1 day ago|||
I actually created a evil super-intelligent AGI back in 1996, but, cognizant of the security risks, I wisely kept it airgapped from all other systems. In the end I unplugged the monitor, keyboard, and mouse from the Compaq Presario in my parents' basement. As far as I know, it's still there, concocting ever-more brilliant schemes for world-domination.
manuelnd 1 day ago||
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vibeprofessor 1 day ago||
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brna-2 1 day ago|
When I post to HN, I post mostly for criticism and suggestions and less for praise. I did not sense what you did here, maybe I filtered it out.
vibeprofessor 1 day ago||
it's just across the threads Clawd get a lot of negative sentiment here for whatever reason, while it's such a brilliant hack
bhargav_12111 1 day ago|
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