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Posted by vismit2000 1 day ago

How AI assistance impacts the formation of coding skills(www.anthropic.com)
415 points | 316 commentspage 5
jmatthews 9 hours ago|
I find this so hard to get my head around. I am wildly more prolific with agentic coding. It's at minimum a 10x for the first several iterations and when you get into the heavy detail part I am still the choke point.
gezman7 21 hours ago||
They lost me in the abstract when said “AI increase productivity especially with novice workers” From my experience, it was the most experienced and fluent in the engineering world who gained the most value from AI.
rkagerer 14 hours ago||
Is anyone else concerned about the huge, centralized dependency AI introduces into your workflow?

This is one reason I've been resistant to using it. I don't want my work to go to the companies providing the models. I don't trust them. Not only with my data in the first place, but also that they'll keep providing the service over the long term without totally enshittifying the experience.

I'll be so much more excited by this when local models catch up to (or even exceed) frontier-level quality. How close are we to this?

(In my case, I don't even care if it costs a boatload in hardware capital to deploy.)

rkagerer 14 hours ago||
Is GLM 4.7 still leading in terms of local models?
direwolf20 14 hours ago|||
About as much as they're worried about AWS.
AstroBen 11 hours ago||
I actually think this research points out why that isn't an issue: used properly, AI can help you learn and act as support. I'd also be fine if my LSP disappeared overnight. Kind of annoying but meh I'll be fine

You should be concerned if you're outsourcing your work to it, though. There's also no benefit to doing that outside of laziness (the research shows no statistically significant productivity improvement)

simonw 22 hours ago||
I wonder why these Anthropic researchers chose GPT-4o for their study.
segh 20 hours ago||
Far far more people use ChatGPT than Claude.ai
simianwords 21 hours ago||
This is really strange and warrants some skepticism
fragmede 21 hours ago||
Anthropic paid a team to do a project, and gave them leeway to do it how they wanted. If anything, it's a good signal that Anthropic didn't lean on the scale to have the results go in their favor.
hxugufjfjf 20 hours ago||
Isn’t it technically in their favor if competition is proven bad, even if it would be equally easy to prove their product likely equally bad or even worse?
mriet 12 hours ago||
I'm already having flashbacks of how the tobacco industry faired..
oxag3n 8 hours ago||
> For novice workers in software engineering or any other industry, our study can be viewed as a small piece of evidence toward the value of intentional skill development with AI tools.

TL;DR it's not AI that makes you dumb, it's the wrong "Output style" - just choose learning style.

roark_howard 12 hours ago||
Guilt driven attempt to save jobs?
replwoacause 13 hours ago||
I guess its cool they published this paper, but the cynic in me says this is more a PR/optics move to reinforce the narrative that "we're an AI safety-first company" because "look see, we published a study that undermines our own company's benefit", while knowing full well that at the end of the day a majority of people in AI decision making positions are always going to push harder and harder for X thing to be done as fast as possible. So while the warning is "nice" I suppose, it feels sort of like Sam Altman talking about how OpenAI needs to be more regulated by the government meanwhile authors, artists, and publishers are suing because their work was actively being stolen.

Sure, it sounds good to call for more regulation, or admit that there are downsides to your product, but when you know these things are falling largely on deaf ears and you continue operating business as usual, I wonder how much of it is just theater.

system2 11 hours ago|
I respect Anthoropic for writing an article like this. I can't imagine Sam Altman allowing someone to write something like this that is not a 100% advertisement of their own products or mightiness.
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