Can AI level the playing field between users and greedy firms like Apple?
Also, for that price I get: 2TB cloud storage,Apple TV,Apple Music,news,workouts,arcade most of which cannot be self hosted.
Economies of scale are real, it’s possible Apple makes a ton of money and the user is getting a good deal!
Nvidia: GAAP and non-GAAP gross margins are expected to be 74.8% and 75.0%,
Micron: MU (Micron Technology) Gross Margin % as of today (January 28, 2026) is 56.04%
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Outside of HN I see zero complaints. And the situation has been going on for a while. I might not like it, but it seems perfectly fine for their brand as far as I can tell.
Is it enough of a damaged brand to hurt their profits as of now? Clearly not. But cracks are forming. Apple’s brand isn’t damaged when they’re seen as bad, but when they’re seen as the same as everyone else.
What do they say? I'm genuinely curious.
Because e.g. I don't have the slightest idea what percentage Microsoft takes on Xbox games, nor would it ever occur to me to complain about it. I know there's a business model there, but it's not something I think about. And I feel like that's the way people outside of tech feel about whatever percentage Apple takes out of its App Store. But what am I missing?
No, it’s not. I have just told you it’s not. Which is anecdotal, but also true. Do you not frequent other websites with nerds other than HN?
> I have plenty of friends who are not on HN and I haven’t heard anyone ever complain about these things.
Is your personal experience the only valid one? Are your friends the epitome of diversity of opinions? I don’t have any friends who are white supremacists, does that mean white supremacists don’t exist? Because I’m pretty sure they do, even in my country. All of us live in bubbles to an extent, you have simply bumped into another boundary of yours.
Do a web search for Apple Wallet F1. Do you think all those people are on HN? They’re certainly complaining outside of it.
Btw, I was sharing my anecdote as you had done it. I of course know my experiences are not generalizable.
Pixel has always been the flagship and priced to match. Unlike Apple, there are plenty of Android phones at all price points.
I'm sure you'd see more outrage if you had the app price listed without the fee, and then showed the fee below it/at time of purchase. It's another hidden fee.
However, I have noticed that its very rare. In every other case I've looked into, from Omni apps to streaming apps like Netflix, I'm paying the same either way, and often with a more convienent way of managing the subscription.
Thereby, I think it goes undetected by most, because price comparing the app store to the non app store price will yield the same price most of the time. Though importantly, I have noticed, it is not always the same options. For example, regarding Netflix, I am paying the same price for my sub via Apple but new and returning customers can no longer pay for it this way, they must go to the website now. I also can't add additional members (effectively discounted second subs) either.
This has to do with the fact Apple did captiulate to allowing companies link to their own subscription pages and actually allow customers to be directed in that way with clearer and transparent language. However, I have noticed most apps with the exception of large streaming platforms have done away completely with in app subscriptions, and the prices are still the same whether its the web or via in app purchases on Apple's platform.
However, Google Play is no better in this regard. Even though they allow 3rd party payment processing as an alternative to using Google's payment processing, it has not lead to apps being cheaper on their platform, in the majority of cases. Which makes me wonder if the value is still there for a 1st party payment processor, or something else.
> An app store with a 5-10% cut would be an app store with a much richer choice of apps.
Why? And how are you defining "rich". Rich in quality? Quantity? Something else?
For example, Apple refuses to allow Peertube app onto the App Store. Peertube is a free version of Youtube with peer-to-peer file transfer acceleration.
That's because you can use it to (bring out smelling salts!) watch porn. If you connect it to a private Peertube instance.
Another example, Apple is not allowing an eBook reader app (FBReader) with full OPDS support. Because you can use OPDS to buy books in third-party stores. I'm using OPDS to get books from my own Calibre Web library, btw.
These are just the ones I can list off the top of my head. No doubt there are others.
Is it inconsistent and frustrating, very much so, and certain apps get an unfair treatment for sure, but I don’t think it’s as simple as that ”if app can do x then it’s banned”.
What part of "monopolistic collusion behaivor" you do not understand? Apple likely has backroom deals with large players, while locking out smaller competitors.
After all, Grok app is still in the App Store.
> Is it inconsistent and frustrating, very much so, and certain apps get an unfair treatment for sure, but I don’t think it’s as simple as that ”if app can do x then it’s banned”.
I gave the names of actual apps, feel free to talk with their developers. Peertube got in only after removing the ability to add custom endpoints.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not sure there is evidence to support your assertion either.
What does this even mean? Do you mean in the US or globally?
By units sold, by platform, globally:
Android ~885 Million ~71%
iOS (iPhone) ~247 Million ~20%
HarmonyOS & Others ~118 Million ~9%
Stripe, PayPal and a bag full of other payment options would be able to compete just fine with IAP and its fees.
I get that it sucks that the honest folks have to pay a 30% fees
I'd be happy to pay a 30% premium on my app store purchases just for the ability to unsubscribe without dark patterns.
In saying that, I don't think I'm personally prepared to pay an additional 30% for that. It should just be what is expected as part of good business practice.
Among perhaps the 1% super tech savvy users. I never heard anyone who wants to sideload apps outside online (not even from other programmers I know in real life. Ones who care like much always have been using rooted android from day 1.)
Its a demonstration of wealth.
I'm sure not in every case, but even as far back as 2018 the trend line of wealth and iPhone ownership was high. Even today most app store developers admit that iPhone users tend to have more disposable income by a good margin.
Really, when I do a cursory google search of wealthy public figures that include them holding their devices, what I can find is they're clearly holding iPhones most of the time.
I did mention wealth and iphone usage. An insecure teen, mom, or middle income person needs an iphone for status.