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Posted by Anon84 4 days ago

Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft(www.theverge.com)
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pjmlp 4 days ago|
That isn't going well for Satya.
wolvoleo 4 days ago|
Indeed it's not: https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/01/09/is-microsoft-losing... And: https://www.perspectives.plus/p/microsoft-365-copilot-commer...

Tldr: Copilot has 1% marketshare among web chatbots and 1.85% of paid M365 users bought a subscription to it.

As much as I think AI is overrated already, Copilot is pretty much the worst performing one out there from the big tech companies. Despite all the Copilot buttons in office, windows, on keyboards and even on the physical front of computers now.

We have to use it at work but it just feels like if they spent half the effort they spend on marketing on actually trying to make it do its job people might actually want to use it.

Half the time it's not even doing anything. "Please try again later" or the standard error message Microsoft uses for every possible error now: "Something went wrong". Another pet peeve of mine, those useless error messages.

keeda 4 days ago|||
Hmm, 8M paid M365 Copilot users leaked in August, and at last week's earnings call the number was 15M.

Assuming the leak was accurate, almost doubling usage in 4 months for an enterprise product seems like pretty fast growth?

Its growth trajectory seems to be on par with Teams so far, another enterprise product bundled with their M365 suite, though to be fair Teams was bundled for free: https://www.demandsage.com/microsoft-teams-statistics/

pjmlp 4 days ago||||
Yeah, my problem the way it has been pushed is that how it doesn't make sense at all.

Improve the workflows that would benefit "AI" algorithms, image recognition, voice control, hand writing, code completion, and so on.

No need to put buttons to chat windows all over the place.

wolvoleo 4 days ago||
Yeah but it's the mainstream public that was just blown away with the LLM party trick. If it sounds like a human it must be smart like a human. So that's what everyone wants to sell :(

PS: When I say party trick I don't deny it has its uses but it's currently used like the jesus-AI that can do anything.

Lammy 4 days ago||||
Great way to visualize the decline of software quality over the last twenty years: https://trends.google.com/explore?q=%22Something%20went%20wr...

Notable inflection point right around the time unlimited data became an afterthought and every piece of software decided it “needs” to spy on—— I mean needs to offer Fulfilling Connected Experiences at all times.

tomjen3 4 days ago|||
They put it into the Azure portal, and I tried to get it to answer me what the open resource cost us in storage. It appeared retarded at first, but then I realized it didn't have access to know what I had opened or anything.

Until MS makes sure their models get the necessary context, I don't even care to click on them.

sweetrabh 4 days ago||
The rapid adoption of AI coding agents raises important questions about trust boundaries. When an agent like Claude Code needs to handle sensitive operations - API keys, credentials, database connections - how do you prevent those secrets from ending up in the model's context or logs?

We ran into this building a password automation tool (thepassword.app). The solution: the AI orchestrates browser navigation, but actual credential values are injected locally and never enter the model's reasoning loop. Prompt injection can't exfiltrate what's not in the context.

As these tools move into enterprise settings, I expect we'll see more architectural patterns emerge for keeping sensitive data out of agentic workflows entirely.

wahnfrieden 4 days ago||
Reading about ubiquitous Claude Code use inside of Apple and Microsoft, and not Codex, makes me very worried about forthcoming software quality.

Claude Code is fun, full of personality, many features to hack around model shortcomings, and very quick, but it should not be let anywhere near serious coding work.

That's also why OpenClaw uses Claude for personality, but its author (@steipete) disallows any contribution to it using Claude Code and uses Codex exclusively for its development. Claude Code is a slop producer with illusions of productivity.

falloutx 4 days ago|
I dont know about Apple, but Microsoft is completely consumed by this new AI coding wave. Apple probably still has some reasonable use policy, but microsoft has lost it entirely. I dont see myself using any microsoft software anytime soon.
wahnfrieden 4 days ago||
Apple is all Claude Code internally

(Also a signal for why devs should not bother with their shoddy Xcode AI work - Apple devs are not using it)

gurrkin 4 days ago||
A lot of Claude love in here. I have used Claude on the web (free tier) well over a year ago and had good results with it, but I need good integration with IntelliJ since I work almost exclusively in Kotlin. Can anyone attest to it? The reviews on the plugin are awful, but so are the reviews for the Copilot plugin. I find Copilot pretty good in there, though the tooling is a little second-class, and it often gets "stuck" in the terminal.
pietz 4 days ago||
Why not just use it in the terminal? That's literally what it was built for.
8note 4 days ago||
use claude code, with an lsp integration for kotlin
strongpigeon 4 days ago||
A friend of mine over there told me their VP put a mandate that everyone should install and use Claude Code and write a weekly report on their usage (what they did, what worked, etc.). They also track token usage and have a leaderboard of who uses the most token.

It reminds me of this [0] Dilbert comic, but heh.

[0]: https://x.com/idera_software/status/573165928264810496

chasd00 4 days ago|
They should just screenshot /stats ...but not /cost heh
major505 4 days ago||
I think is funny, because is not the first time I hear about microsoft employees not using the company products.

I worked on a project with some microsoft engineers to create a chatbot plugin for Salesforce, using Microsoft Power Virtual Agent, and the comunication tool they used was Slack and not teams. And I was obligated to use teams because of the consuting company I worked at the time.

And also the version control they used at the time was I think SVN, and not TFS.

TZubiri 4 days ago||
Friendship ended with OpenAI, Now Anthropic is my best friend
endemic 4 days ago||
Best friendship takes place!

https://www.folklore.org/I'll_Be_Your_Best_Friend.html

TZubiri 4 days ago||
Learning about tech folklore is the best part of Hacker News, there's stuff you can't learn from books or tutorials (well maybe you could, but you are unlikely to reach it on your own.)
disqard 4 days ago||
Is this the "beginning of the end" for OpenAI?
TZubiri 4 days ago|||
Yes the product's secret sauce is out and it's becomming a commodity.

But OpenAI is still innovating with new subcategories, and even in cases where it did not innovate (Claude Code came first and OpenAI responded with Codex), it outdoes its competitors. Codex is being widely preferred by the most popular vibecode devs, notably Moltbook's dev, but also Jess Fraz.

In terms of pricing, OAI holds by far the most expensive product so it's still positioned as a quality option, to give an example, most providers have a 3 tier price for API calls.

Anthropic has 1$/3$/5$ (per output MTokens) Gemini has 3$/12$ (2tier) OpenAI has 2$/14$/168$

So the competitors are mainly competing in price in the API category

To give another datapoint, Google just released multimodal (image input) models like 1 or 2 months ago. This has been in ChatGPT for almost a year now

chasd00 4 days ago|||
That and if Nvidia backs out of their $100B promise it may not be the death knell but it would certainly by a step backward for OpenAI.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-100-billion-megadeal-between...

h4kunamata 4 days ago||
After their gaming stock crashing, making Windows 11 completely useless, not to mention its Copilot adoption getting nowhere, this was just a matter of time.

Windows 11 falling apart after AI adoption tells their AI, vibe coding is not going as planned.

If you saw their latest report claiming to focus on fixing the trust on Windows, it is a little too late, even newbies moved to Linux, and with AMD driver support, gaming is no longer an excuse.

moi2388 4 days ago||
“ Microsoft told me last year that 91 percent of its engineering teams use GitHub Copilot”

Well, that might explain why all their products are unusable lately.

Supermancho 4 days ago|
They have been unstable for decades. Does anyone still use self-hosted (running in a basement) windows servers? Running a windows machine feels like it's about as reliable as fast food order accuracy. Most of the time sure, but I hope you can afford to miss out sometimes.
gloomyday 4 days ago|
Microsoft products are decreasing in quality at an astounding rate. You can clearly see that sales people took over the whole company.
falloutx 4 days ago|
Its accelerated slopfication of Microsoft. And what are they are doing to fix it? More AI. The thing what is clearly making it worse. I think every division except Azure and Office are losing money at this point.
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