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Posted by Technolithic 5 days ago

UK government launches fuel forecourt price API(www.gov.uk)
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gerjomarty 5 days ago|
This is a great innovation and I'm sure in time it'll become a useful source of information. There are some edge cases of course.

If you live on the Irish border, you'll have a choice between getting your petrol on the UK side, or the Irish side. For about 20 years, petrol was cheaper on the Irish side, causing a bunch of petrol stations to spring up just over the border, attracting drivers from the other side with cheap prices and good exchange rates.

In the last 10 years or so, the position has reversed. Petrol is now roughly cheaper on the UK side of the border, or at least not worth making a special trip for.

There's even a petrol station in Belleek mentioned here[1] that straddles the border and apparently has or had pumps on both sides.

[1]: https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/25653110.border-filli...

buckle8017 5 days ago||
Needs a solver for cost that takes fuel needed, distance to station, fuel economy, and value of the drivers time.
mootothemax 4 days ago||
It’s a delight even to have a regulated source of all fuel station locations in the uk!

This might be a slight missing woods/trees moment but that aside - there is precious little open geospatial data in the uk that establishes see this dot here? That’s a fuel station, that is. That dot there? Oooooh no, that there’s a pub.

The uk govts of the time managed to hand both the address data and the this-is-what-it-is data off to separate commercial enterprises in the name of privatisation, and I genuinely believe it was by accident as it’s… err… quite a niche topic of knowledge.

So anything - anything! - that brings some of that back and truly open to the public is very much welcomed.

gnufx 4 days ago||
Good to see. For what it's worth, data were previously available from the Competition and Markets authority, used by https://localfuelprices.co.uk/
drcongo 5 days ago||
Yesterday I had to drive to a nearby town, just 20 minutes away, and noticed that every single petrol station there was a good 5p per litre cheaper than my town. I might plug this into a map.
entuno 5 days ago||
The variation in even a couple of miles can be pretty big. I almost never go out of my way to visit a cheaper petrol station because that's usually a false economy, but there are definitely some local places that I favour or avoid because they're almost always cheaper/more expensive than the surrounding ones.
blibble 5 days ago||
as much as I try to stay away from Google products: waze shows this on the usual driving map quite well
citrin_ru 3 days ago|||
Strange that google maps still doesn't show fuel prices in the UK. Google maps show fuel prices the US so this feature was implemented and it should be easy to show prices in the UK using the same data source was Waze.
drcongo 4 days ago|||
I had to give up Waze over xmas because it refused to give me the 1 hour, straight down the motorway route, and instead tried to send me a bizarre route that would take 2.5 hours. Switched to Apple Maps and haven't gone back, though I do miss the fact that Waze shows you your current speed.
blibble 4 days ago||
> though I do miss the fact that Waze shows you your current speed.

this is the only reason I use waze!

thebruce87m 4 days ago||
I feel like I’m missing something here - presumably your vehicle has a speedometer? What does the Waze speed dial give you over this?

Unless you mean that it has the speed limit too, if so I agree that it’s a must have, along with the speed camera alerts.

txomon 7 hours ago||
It gives you your current speed, the speed limit, and flashes warns when you go over the limit. I find it more helpful than plain speedometer because sometimes you don't notice speed limit changes
londons_explore 5 days ago||
There is an app called 'PetrolPrices' which seems to have a pretty complete price database. It's much better than this government API so far.
pixelesque 4 days ago||
That's often out of date, and the UI is pretty buggy (at least on iOS).

There's also 'Gaspy' which is really a NZ app that was very popular in NZ (I used to live there) where people submit and confirm prices, but in the UK there aren't that many users (hasn't got critical mass), so there are often no prices or things are very out-of-date.

teamonkey 4 days ago|||
I’ve used that app for some time but unfortunately it relies on user reporting, and the prices can be days or weeks out of date.
tolien 4 days ago||
The AA also show prices through their app.
tzs 4 days ago||
What are the price variations like over short distances?

In the US gasoline short distance price variations are ridiculous. I've seen it where one station was $3.50/gal and another station on the same main road just a 30 second drive away was $4.30/gal. These two stations almost always have a large difference like that. This kind of large difference over a small distance is common all over the country.

Yet a surprisingly large number of people will always choose the more expensive station, even if they know about both of them (and the other stations with prices consistently in between that are also about equally close). There's nothing about the layout of the town and traffic patterns that make the expensive station more convenient, or make it easy to find. All these stations are about equally busy so it is not like the expensive one is faster. The less expensive one even has a way better convenience store.

This is one of the higher gas price states and people are constantly complaining about how much it costs to fill up, and when I ask complainers about where they buy gas it is often the expensive stations.

Many of them think that if they don't buy at the expensive station it will be bad for their car. Different brands add different detergents and additives that fight clogging and build up of deposits in your engine and fuel system.

However in 1995 the US got a federal standard that all gas has to meet, and then in 2004 several major car makers developed a standard they called "Top Tier" which is about 20 times more effective than the federal standard. Most major gas brands now sell only gas that is certified to meet the Top Tier standard.

Most testing has found that going for something beyond Top Tier doesn't really have a significant benefit for most people. For nearly everyone the best approach is:

(1) Avoid gas that is not at least Top Tier. Generally the only places that sell gas that isn't at least Top Tier are grocery store brands and maybe some convenience store brands. The savings with those brands is usually only a couple or so cents a gallon compared to the least expensive Top Tier brands (ARCO, Costco) and your car will perform better (including improved mpg) and need less maintenance.

(2) Buy the least expensive Top Tier or above gas that is convenient. You aren't going to notice any difference in performance or maintenance if you pay extra for some brand's particular proprietary blend.

notahacker 4 days ago||
I think my favourite in the UK is the town I grew up in, where the cheapest petrol station is 100 yards down the two lane road from a more expensive one, so you could actually see the cheaper prices from the forecourt of the more expensive one...
OptionOfT 4 days ago||
Also, don't buy 89 or 91 if your car doesn't require it. My previous car said: 91, at a minimum 89.

Current car says: 93, at a minimum 91. I don't have 93 here. So 91 it is.

But going the other way is just wasteful.

aaronrobinson 4 days ago||
You need a mix of price, availability and trust. I just head for the nearest Sainsbury’s. They have. Reputation to protect, I can do my shopping at the same time and their prices are competitive. I just wouldn’t go to the cheapest place unless it was a hire car.
nmeofthestate 5 days ago|
I wonder if the CSV is supposed to list all petrol stations, as currently it only has 4 with city==Edinburgh.

Edit: after asking AI about this I would say the CSV is pretty useless as a comprehensive source of info on UK fuel prices.

tene80i 5 days ago||
It’s only just been launched. AI isn’t a great way to find out about brand new things.
nmeofthestate 5 days ago||
Apparently although it is a requirement to upload data from today, there's an effective grace period of 3 months (sorry - got that from AI).
GJim 4 days ago||
> after asking AI about this

Seriously?

I thought HN readers would have more sense than that.

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