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Posted by cf100clunk 4 days ago

Linux From Scratch ends SysVinit support(lists.linuxfromscratch.org)
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tmtvl 4 days ago|
Kind of related: The Great Debian Init Debate <https://aaonline.fr/search.php?search&criteria[sequenceId-is...>
listentomineral 2 days ago|
This is the absolute perfect format to read these threads. Thanks for sharing.
haunter 4 days ago||
So this will be the final SysVinit version https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/12.4/
1vuio0pswjnm7 2 days ago||
This mailing list archive page is incredibly user-hostile
egorfine 4 days ago||
Why not discontinue original coreutils and original sudo while we're at it?
guerrilla 3 days ago|
I think you're joking but they will. Eventually stystemd will consume everything and that work has already begun, quite literally.
egorfine 3 days ago||
They absolutely will.

Even irony aside, there is no point in investing so much efforts in Rust slops without removal of the original tools.

mrlonglong 2 days ago||
Openrc would have been a better choice.
Someone100 3 days ago||
The UNIX cancer that is systemd has spread to LFS and kiled SysVinit.Sad
nilamo 3 days ago||
This seems good? LFS isn't about building Linux the way Linux was built 40 years ago. It's about learning how to do today's Linux, from scratch. Steps that lead to a radically different build from most Linux distros are therefore off the mark, and not really educational to show how a modern Linux is built.

Lots of pearl clutching in here about it, tho

melodyogonna 3 days ago||
Has the entire industry converged on Systemd then
guerrilla 3 days ago|
Almost. Not Alpine and a few others.
WhereIsTheTruth 4 days ago||
Just rename Linux to SystemD OS at this point..
mhurron 4 days ago||
Excuse me, that's GNU/SystemD/Linux.
SAI_Peregrinus 4 days ago||
You joke, but it's a decent comparison. Both GNU and SystemD are projects with a bunch of miscellaneous tools with excessively strong coupling. In GNU's case that's the various userland tools relying on glibc. Both are used in the majority of Linux distros, and while there are distros without them they're not particularly mainstream. Many tools expect their options & custom ways of working, e.g. huge numbers of shell scripts are BASH-specific and need GNU coreutils instead of being portable POSIX shell scripts. Both make developers' lives easier compared to the lowest-common-denominator required by POSIX, which makes sense because POSIX is intended to be a common subset of functionality found across different UNIX OSes.

It's not a perfect equivalence, of course, SystemD diverges more from other UNIXes than GNU does.

LeFantome 4 days ago||
Just call it the Red Hat Linux Platform. Both GNU (glibc, binutils, GNU utils, GCC, etc) and Systemd are primarily maintainted by them. Same with Wayland and GNOME.

Red Hat defines what "Linux" is these days.

jvreeland 4 days ago||
systemd not SystemD
tosti 3 days ago|||
systemdick
1vuio0pswjnm7 4 days ago|
What does "support" mean
cf100clunk 4 days ago||
On 01 March 2026 the next versions of LFS and BLFS will not include SysVinit instructions a.k.a. ''support''.
zxcvasd 4 days ago||
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