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Posted by stalfosknight 4 days ago

Firefox Getting New Controls to Turn Off AI Features(www.macrumors.com)
212 points | 102 commentspage 2
butz 3 days ago|
Firefox should just spin up a separate "Firefox Lite" without all the "features".
username223 4 days ago||
If accurate, this strikes me as something like malicious compliance.

> Translations, which help you browse the web in your preferred language.

Machine translation can be useful when you want to get the gist of something in a language you don't know.

> Alt text in PDFs, which add accessibility descriptions to images in PDF pages.

OCR? Okay...

> AI-enhanced tab grouping, which suggests related tabs and group names.

What is this feature even trying to do? It sounds like ill-defined trash.

> Link previews, which show key points before you open a link.

Or I could just click the link.

> AI chatbot in the sidebar, which lets you use your chosen chatbot as you browse, including options like Anthropic Claude, ChatGPT, Microsoft Copilot, Google Gemini and Le Chat Mistral.

This is the thing that most people are probably complaining about. Lumping the other features in with it is a distraction.

hn92726819 4 days ago|
> The AI features can be disabled entirely or individually, so users can pick and choose what they want to use

It sounds like you would want to switch off two of them and leave two of them on, no? How is that malicious compliance?

The master AI switch is for people that have moral issues with all AI, so they want all future features turned off.

username223 4 days ago||
Mozilla is grouping a bunch of unrelated stuff in with the one thing people don't want.
seszett 3 days ago||
That's because "AI" is a bunch of unrelated stuff that happens to use LLMs. Maybe you don't agree that machine translation using a large language model is AI, but other people do.
bravetraveler 4 days ago||
Soon: "Oopsie woopsie, we changed your expressed preferences... care to try again?"
hn92726819 4 days ago|
This is expected behavior in Microsoft products, but has Firefox ever done anything like this?
account42 3 days ago||
Yes, many times. See all the options they keep adding for siphoning your usage data even though you already used all the previous ones to indicate very clearly that you want none of that.
spacephysics 4 days ago||
Too little, too late. Switched to Brave and haven’t been happier. Firefox lost the plot years ago.
heavyset_go 4 days ago|
Brave comes with its own branded "Leo"[1] AI assistant built into the browser lol

[1] https://brave.com/leo/

GCUMstlyHarmls 4 days ago||
Every time brave gets walked out as some good alternative I cant get past the vc / crypto coin / brave-reward holding garbage.

Maybe they're ok now but they had some really gross mistakes (?).

eukara 4 days ago||
They used to be gross, alright. Probably still are.

There was a PR campaign ("on their behalf" ? :] ), posting on certain websites in the first year of their launch or so. (This was before the fraud in which Brave were taking donations in the name of someone else, without anyones consent.) It involved posting things like "Come home, white man" and other dog-whistles on image-boards along with the brave-lion logo imagery on a consistent, regular basis. There's probably archives of these threads and people calling out they were very obviously automated and calculated. Who else at this point would even care to do it for them?

Eich got kicked out of Mozilla for his views not aligning with everyone else, so him weaponizing his own views like that isn't exactly what some would call unexpected. He might also not know the extent of which his PR goons go to promote his stuff, but come on now... the whole image is planned. There's a reason they choose to 'break a few rules' and they want their browser image to be that of a 'strong authoritative male leader' specifically. It appeals to a certain demographic also, wonder who... /s

I just think it's super fucking lame and plenty of people smell that shit a mile away. Which explains why plenty of people say "fuck no" without even knowing half of this shit.

yeukhon 3 days ago||
The moment you read “crypto mining in the browser while you browse” should be an immediate red flag that you should run away. Absolutely no need to respect him even when he was the creator of JS. So what.
kotaKat 3 days ago||
“but it’s opt in, bro, you dont have to use it” — every Brave stan
hxorr 3 days ago||
I think for Firefox to be successful in breaking free from google funding is to make gecko easily embeddable in other apps, ala WebKit / electron / etc. I think it would get more funding from a wider variety of independent parties that way. Unfortunately they seem to have gone in the opposite direction... Although I am sure they have their reasons.
hooxinext 3 days ago||
Hope apps follow this lead—AI should be a toggle, not a default.
ChrisArchitect 4 days ago||
[dupe] Source: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46858492)
zecg 3 days ago||
I don't want to download the code or models for those features in the first place, Mozilla.
rozab 3 days ago||
It's incredible that even vscode had this before Firefox. How could they misjudge their audience so badly?
evolve2k 4 days ago|
Wasn’t their translations project “pre AI”? That’s not running an LLM is it?
input_sh 3 days ago||
It's not an LLM but it is a tiny pre-trained ML model running inside the browser. Funded by the EU and made in partnership with a few European universities as well: https://mozilla.github.io/translations/docs/

Their level of acceptance for releasing a new model (AKA new language support) is to benchmark within 5% difference of Google Translate, basically proving you don't need an external party to do good-enough translations for you. It's like the coolest thing they worked on recently.

Macha 4 days ago||
Most modern translation tools are language models and this was true even before the LLM chatbot explosion. The difference is they were trained on smaller (and less dubiously sourced) datasets and the output that was trained for was translations directly rather than conversations.
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