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Posted by jinhkuan 4 days ago

Coding assistants are solving the wrong problem(www.bicameral-ai.com)
188 points | 147 commentspage 3
andrewstuart 4 days ago|
>>> The jury is out on the effectiveness of AI use in production, and it is not a pretty picture.

Errrrr…. false.

I’ll stop reading right there thanks I think I know what’s coming.

raffkede 4 days ago||
A Calculator won't increase your creativity directly but it will free resources that you can allocate to creativity!
averrous 2 days ago||
will software engineers education be like doctor education? Where we go to school for 6-8 years with multiple steps of tests and certifications to passed before we can touch production code
richardfulop 3 days ago||
I always stop reading when I see someone citing that METR study
geldedus 2 days ago||
Cope harder. AI-assisted programming is a huge productivity boost.
pseudosavant 4 days ago||
Hard to take it serious when it opens with this note: `48% of AI-generated code contains security vulnerabilities (Apiiro, 2024`?

Really? 2024? That was forever ago in LLM coding. Before tool calling, reasoning, and larger context windows.

It is like saying YouTube couldn’t exist because too many people were still on dial up.

rwmj 4 days ago|
https://www.wiz.io/blog/exposed-moltbook-database-reveals-mi...
verdverm 4 days ago||
meh piece, don't feel like I learned anything from it. Mainly words around old stats in a rapidly evolving field, and then trying to pitch their product

tl;dr content marketing

There is this super interesting post in new about agent swarms and how the field is evolving towards formal verification like airlines, or how there are ideas we can draw on. Any, imo it should be on the front over this piece

"Why AI Swarms Cannot Build Architecture"

An analysis of the structural limitations preventing AI agent swarms from producing coherent software architecture

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46866184

locknitpicker 4 days ago|
> meh piece, don't feel like I learned anything from it.

That's fine. I found the leading stats interesting. If coding assistants slowed down experienced developers while creating a false sense of development speed then that should be thought-provoking. Also, nearly half of code churned by coding assistants having security issues. That he's tough.

Perhaps it's just me, but that's in line with my personal experience, and I rarely see those points being raised.

> There is this super interesting post in new about agent swarms and how (...)

That's fine. Feel free to submit the link. I find it far more interesting to discuss the post-rose tinted glasses view of coding agents. I don't think it makes any sense at all to laud promises of formal verification when the same technology right now is unable to introduce security vulnerabilities.

verdverm 4 days ago|||
> found the leading stats interesting

They are from before the current generation of models and agent tools, they are almost certainly out of date and now different and will continue to evolve

We're still learning to crawl, haven't gotten to walking yet

verdverm 4 days ago|||
> Feel free to submit the link

I did, or someone else did, it's the link in the post you replied to

tanveergill 4 days ago||
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zkmon 4 days ago|
Wondering why is ths on front page? There is hardly any new insight other than a few minutes of exposure to greenish glow that makes everything looks brownish after you close that page.
heeton 4 days ago|
I upvoted because I’m very keen for more teams to start trying to solve this problem and release tools and products to help.

Context gathering and refinement is the biggest issue I have with product development at the moment.