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Posted by brdd 1 day ago

A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw(brandon.wang)
234 points | 374 commentspage 3
wyldfire 6 hours ago|
Would it be any more comforting from a privacy standpoint to have the models capable of doing this running on the device itself instead of the cloud?
fph 5 hours ago|
...yes?
jngiam1 3 hours ago||
i've a simple setup with Claude Code and MCPs; and i get real benefits from better task mgmt, email mgmt, calendar, health/food/fitness tracking, working together with claude on tasks (that go into md files).

i don't think we need ClawdBot, but we do need a way to easily interact with the model such that it can create long term memories (likely as files).

artisin 9 hours ago||
I mean, maybe, it's just me, but...

> it can read my text messages, including two-factor authentication codes. it can log into my bank. it has my calendar, my notion, my contacts. it can browse the web and take actions on my behalf. in theory, clawdbot could drain my bank account. this makes a lot of people uncomfortable (me included, even now).

...is just, idk, asinine to me on so many levels. Anything from a simple mix-up to a well-crafted prompt injection could easily fuck you into next Tuesday, if you're lucky. But admittedly, I do see the allure, and with the proper tooling, I can see a future where the rewards outweigh the risks.

munificent 9 hours ago||
> as someone who has a chest freezer and a compulsive desire to buy too many things at costco, we take everything out of the freezer every few months to check what we have. before, this was a relatively involved process: me calling things out, my partner writing them down.

A thought I constantly find myself having when I read accounts of people automating and accelerating aspects of their life by using AI... Are you really that busy?

I mean, obviously, no one is thrilled by spending ten minutes making a dentist appointment. But I strongly suspect that most of us will feel a stronger sense of balance and equanimity if a larger fraction of our life is spent doing mundane menial tasks.

Going through your freezer means that you're using your hands and eyes and talking to your partner to solve a concrete problem. It's exactly the kind of thing primates evolved to do.

Whenever I read articles like this, I can't help but imagine the author automating away all of the menial toil in their day so they can fill those freed up minutes with... more scrolling on their phone. Is that what anyone needs more of?

yoyohello13 7 hours ago|
The freezer one is so weird because there is an even simpler solution to the problem. Just buy less shit! If you have so much stuff that you can’t keep track then don’t have so much stuff, simple.

I think there is a common psychology when people notice a problem they first think about what they can add to solve the problem, when often the best solution is to think about what you can remove.

dingaling 4 hours ago|||
Or, as my partner does, keep a page magnetted to the freezer, divided into three 'shelves', with a list of what's where.
dolebirchwood 52 minutes ago|||
We just have a magnetic whiteboard on the refrigerator and write down things we need to buy when we run low/out. A true modern marvel, and no AI bot required!
munificent 1 hour ago|||
In my family, that page would half-accurately describe the contents of the freezer circa 2012.
munificent 4 hours ago|||
100%.

I follow the OrganizationPorn subreddit because sometimes I like looking at pictures of neatly organized stuff. But so much of the photos are from sprawling suburban houses with enormous pantries and "craft rooms" with just So. Much. Stuff.

Unless you're feeding a family of 12, I don't know how anyone can keep that much food without half of it going bad before you get to it anyway.

627467 3 hours ago||
So, what prevents site to do dynamic pricing for bots checking sites for prices?
codeulike 11 hours ago||
If you're on MS stack, this is all stuff that MS 365 Copilot will already do for you, but with much better defined barriers around what it can and cant access.
granoIacowboy 10 hours ago||
This is the first positive thing I have heard about copilot. You’ve found it genuinely capable?
GrinningFool 3 hours ago|||
Every time I ask copilot in 365 to do something with calendar or email, it tells me it has no access but helpfully suggests I could paste some content in...

I check in once a month or so and get the same results.

codeulike 2 hours ago||
I believe you need to pay for an add-on called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/microsoft-365-copilot

theYipster 8 hours ago|||
Assuming you are using the flagship copilot that is a $30 / mo add on to a 365 subscription, and maybe, maybe if Microsoft replaced CoPilot’s “brain” with Opus 4.5. In my experience, while flagship CoPilot does deliver value if setup correctly, it’s no where near as capable an “agent” as Claude. (And even though Open Claw is now model agnostic, there is a reason for its association to Claude. Despite it’s expense, I find Opus 4.5 works best.)
raffkede 9 hours ago||
I would be surprised if Copilot is even close to that
baalimago 9 hours ago||
I'm a bit surprised that people need an LLM to automate things like this. Is the market really that large, to cause such a hype? I don't think I'm being "elitist" by having a calendar and a pen, am I..?

The one tangible usecase is perhaps booking things. But, personally, I don't mind paying 5-10% extra by going to a local store and speaking to a real person. Or perhaps intentionally buying ecological. Or whatever. What is life if you have a robot optimize everything you do? What is left?

simonw 9 hours ago||
If you're happy "speaking to a real person" when you could automate that interaction away somehow then no, digital personal assistants probably aren't something you're going to care about.

I love talking to real people about stuff that matters to them and to me. I don't want to talk to them about booking a flight or hotel room.

mejutoco 8 hours ago|||
If hotels, or google, or travel websites wanted people to book programmatically they would have an api.Remember when Google search had an api? In the end the human is responsible for the purchase. I think when the dust settles, AI will offer a "do you want to purchase?" and then the human will press the button. Or ChatGPT or somebody controlling the last step will have that button, and services will accept it (like Instagram) because it brings business.
LevGoldstein 8 hours ago|||
This only lasts until dark patterns can be inserted that disrupt the ease of use that agents are currently providing. If I can't force the end user to watch unskippable ads or trick them into spending money on a service they don't need, what are we even doing?
simonw 8 hours ago|||
The reason they don't have an API is that they want to upsell you on other stuff, and get paid to promote their partners.

There's going to be a huge fight over how that relates to AI assistants over the next few years.

mejutoco 7 hours ago||
I agree fully, and wanted to add: for many of these services, like travel engine comparison sites, running the query itself costs money, so you do not want to make it to easy to search without booking.
techpression 8 hours ago|||
The nuances contained in ”booking a flight or hotel room” are plenty, it matters a lot to a lot of people. The industry will probably be very very happy to have bots do it, the amount of extra revenue they will get by taking the tricks made for humans to the next level is going to be substantial.
cityofdelusion 9 hours ago|||
I think part of it is the person that wrote the blog is very wealthy. They mention a personal assistant, very expensive fashion items, and hotel reservations that are 2x the price I paid for my honeymoon. Most people are probably cross shopping Walmart brand milk with name brand, and they aren’t dropping hundreds a month on an AI subscription. It’s a class thing combined with the Bay Area engineer bubble mentality —- I have some family that came from money and they just see the world completely differently, they can’t fathom life in say, Kansas at median household income.
contravariant 9 hours ago|||
Well websites like AirBnB tend to make it as difficult as humanly possible to automate stuff like this, so maybe?

Although that likely only lasts until they learn how to block LLMs effectively.

verdverm 8 hours ago||
We may get to a point where they have a hard time distinguishing. Perhaps it can be made in their interest to open the API for everyone (i.e. convince the bean counters)
johnsmith1840 8 hours ago|||
Totally agree its basically the equivalent of a few low end apps as of now. The interesting thing to me is that it does MANY low end apps all together.

It's a calendar, reminder, notebook, fridge scanner, and a webscraper

I think the interesting idea here is that overtime this will grow to more applications. None require integration or effort to work you only need plug the infrastructure and tooling.

This to me is what will eventually wipe out most agentic startups. The enterprise version of this little thing is just a bot and a set of documents of what it should do and a few tools. Why pay and setup a new system when I can just automate what I already have?

pmart123 8 hours ago|||
There's a lot of irony right now regarding the cost of these things too (although I know the cost curve will drop over time). I know developers that are burning $1,000/day on tokens for Claude Code or VC's using the $200/month ChatGPT pricing plan who are then talking about Vibe coding TurboTax away. TurboTax for most people is $50 to $100 a year. We are still a far way off even from a cost justification standpoint let alone a reliability standpoint of relying on a vibe coded solution for filing your taxes.
hackyhacky 8 hours ago|||
IMHO the "killer app" aspect of OpenClaw (and similar) is that everything is now an API.

We think of chat apps, like WhatsApp, as being ways to communicate with people, which is a nice way of saying they are protocols. When you want something, you send a message, and you get an answer, just like with HTTP, except the endpoints have been controlled by meat. With OpenClaw, the meat is gone. Now you can send a message on WhatsApp to schedule a date with your spouse, their OpenClaw will respond with availability, they'll negotiate a time and place. We've replaced human communication with an ad-hoc, open-ended date-negotiation protocol, using English instead of JSON as a data-interchange format, and OpenClaw as the interface library.

You can say "make an appointment at my dentist" and even if your dentist doesn't have a website, the bot can call up and schedule an appointment. (I don't know if OpenClaw can do this now, but it seems inevitable.) In other words, the (human) receptionist is now an API that can be accessed programmatically.

yoyohello13 7 hours ago|||
> We've replaced human communication with an ad-hoc, open-ended date-negotiation protocol, using English instead of JSON as a data-interchange format, and OpenClaw as the interface library.

People heralding this as a good thing is extremely disturbing.

mvdtnz 8 hours ago|||
If we insist on using that term, let's be more precise: Everything is a horrendously expensive API that will give you subtly incorrect behaviour at random.
hackyhacky 7 hours ago||
Humans are also famous for introducing errors in their communication. I think the AI-to-AI interface will only improve on that .

The price is high now but will get cheaper, especially when compared to the cost of human labor.

Having said that, it sounds like an isolating and boring way to live.

enmyj 9 hours ago||
heartily agree. It takes ~10s to see what's in the freezer. Also "this is water" etc
AdeptusAquinas 4 hours ago||
This reminds me of a take by Dan Harumi: these tools are always pitched for 'restraurant reservations', 'reminders', 'email and message follow ups': i.e. they appeal to the sort of arrested development man children that inhabit tech who never really figured out adulting. Now the computer can do it for them, and they can remain teenagers forever.
cluckindan 11 hours ago|
Just weeks ago, the sentiment was such that developers would be managing AI workers.

Now, it seems that AI will be managing the developers.

tartoran 11 hours ago||
Nope, this is what the hype wants you to believe. You still have to do all the thinking as the current crop of AI is a tool at your disposal. A pretty impressive tool.
whynotmaybe 11 hours ago||
Or more : https://rentahuman.ai/
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