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Posted by AareyBaba 9 hours ago

France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US(apnews.com)
725 points | 413 commentspage 3
dash2 3 hours ago|
Is this gonna go as well as when they built their own search engine?
esel2k 6 hours ago||
Working for a large business in Europe- I think MSFT and Google co know exactly about the threat to their business.

Thats why the aggressively integrate every AI tool where they can - like copilot to make large companies and government stick to their solutions. I wish government will find am even better way to embed LLM to their tools…

pyuser583 3 hours ago||
What does Europe imagine their relationship with Silicon Valley looking like?

I'm looking for examples here - Israel has a very specific relationship with the tech sector, as does Taiwan, China, South Korea, etc. Even within the US, North Virginia, Huntsville, and Manhattan have specific relationships with Silicon Valley.

Is the idea to copy Silicon Valley's stuff into government sponsored, "to committed to fail" operations? Create complementary tech ecosystems? Recruit Silicon Valley veterans and put them in charge, or just fire them after they get their tech?

Just look at how hard it is to come to a decision on something like allow Huawei to build a telephone network. Is it a good idea? Smart people say, Huawei should be allowed to provide the dumb pipes of the system, but not the high level stuff. Anything sensitive needs to be reviewed by domestic security services.

Is that the approach to America?

It seems like the article saying: "copy America's SaaS offerings." Not clear how that makes you digitally sovereign.

scottyah 2 hours ago|
Airbus has been the most successful example I know of. Basically, clone off and slightly modify something another country has created, then force a large population to use it. It's like tariffs on steroids.
richardw 6 hours ago||
Great. There’s no reason why all countries don’t start preferring locally or regionally developed software. Of course interoperability is always a thing but there needs to be another option between “one company” and “everyone host your own instance”.
atonse 6 hours ago||
I couldn't tell from the article but any reason they wouldn't just adopt Matrix? I thought some European governments (especially in France) were already adopting Matrix.
Arathorn 5 hours ago|
France was one of the first to already adopt Matrix. However, when they began Visio, Element was embedding Jitsi for VoIP. Meanwhile Element built Element Call, which is somewhat similar to Visio (except E2EE and decentralised thanks to Matrix). Hopefully the two can converge :)
whatever1 4 hours ago||
If they also make US copyright not enforceable then they can have office clones and then it’s game over.
pcj-github 8 hours ago||
Good for them! As a US citizen, I am trying to do the same. Closing my gmail account and moving to ProtonMail.
999900000999 8 hours ago||
Good. Open source solutions exist and need investment.

Hopefully the EU as a whole can rally behind this.

rayiner 8 hours ago||
In favor of what? I’m all for economic nationalism, but you have to have competitive home grown alternatives. Does Europe have them? Or are they going to shoot themselves in the foot productivity-wise by boycotting the best products?
belval 7 hours ago||
Look I am all for Euro-skepticism, but "boycotting the best products" on an article about Microsoft Teams which is well known to be clawing its way into companies despite very negative feedback due to advantageous pricing when you are integrated with Office 365 (which is itself monopolistic behavior). Is not one.

The reality is that chat apps nowadays have little moat, blocking the worst offenders for sovereignty's sake it perfectly logical.

JoshTriplett 7 hours ago|||
In no world are Teams and Zoom anywhere close to the "best products". They're awful, and only persist because of network effects or because of "the people who buy it don't feel the pain".
atherton94027 8 hours ago|||
The best products like Microsoft Teams? Let's be honest, a lot of the software they've replaced has a checkered past
marssaxman 7 hours ago||
This is a great reason to invest in open-source software.
wateralien 7 hours ago|
Almost all businesses need email, contacts, calendars, live chat, video calls, docs, sheets, and presentations. Ideally all linked. Where is the open source foundation for this package that everyone needs?
drdec 7 hours ago||
Where are the businesses setting up and donating to an organization/foundation to pay for development of such a package?
mhitza 7 hours ago|||
Aside from email I think nextcloud (+ jitsi integration) covers most, if not all, of those requirements.
GaelFG 7 hours ago||
Nextcloud is great !
xanthor 3 hours ago||
Nextcloud is not great, it's just the only available package that approximates an all-in-one GSuite experience. In practice, the UI is really janky and unpolished.
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